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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerMW View Post
    The R1b Gold file is just Y111 so necessarily representative but 11-15 is not uncommon,
    Really? 11-15 at DYF395S1?

    IIRC, When I looked at the last version you published a few years ago in the yahoo group, there was only one 11-15 at DYF395S1 out of several thousand samples in the spreadsheet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Really? 11-15 at DYF395S1?

    IIRC, When I looked at the last version you published a few years ago in the yahoo group, there was only one 11-15 at DYF395S1 out of several thousand samples in the spreadsheet.
    For some reason I was thinking DYS385 where 11-14 is common.
    Check the R1b project activity feed. I post the file there 3-4 times a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerMW View Post
    For some reason I was thinking DYS385 where 11-14 is common.
    Check the R1b project activity feed. I post the file there 3-4 times a year
    When I click the activity feed I can't see anything earlier than 11 Oct 2021. When I click "view older posts" It takes me back to the top of the screen and no new posts are at the bottom.

    Right now, I'm manually cutting and pasting all 67 marker results ...5000 at a time...my laptop is slowly chugging along on this...very tedious process....an hour later I'm still working on this...keeps getting hung up.
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    Done. Out of 25,722 results, exactly 1 (my father) has a value of 11-15 at DYF395S1. Now there is a 2nd sample with those values. Father has done BY700, and 2nd sample just had a BigY 700 ordered.
    DYF395S1 11-15 mutation occurred between ~1300 AD and 1800 AD
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 10-14-2021 at 01:44 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Done. Out of 25,722 results, exactly 1 (my father) has a value of 11-15 at DYF395S1. Now there is a 2nd sample with those values. Father has done BY700, and 2nd sample just had a BigY 700 ordered.
    DYF395S1 11-15 mutation occurred between ~1300 AD and 1800 AD
    Thanks for drawing my attention to this STR.
    We have a value of 16-17 for Z56>BY3548>Z43>FT15337>BY42722>Z29997. Three Big Y-700 results, two separated by 30 SNP's.
    Appears unique and could be useful for the future.
    R-U152>Z56>Z46>Z48>Z44>BY66065
    U5b2a2b
    Ancestry DNA 2020; England NW Europe 55%, Scotland 19%, Ireland 10%, Sweden 8%, Norway 6%, Wales 2%
    Ancestry DNA 2019; England, Wales, NW Europe 86%, Norway 7%, Sweden 7%
    Ancestry DNA 2018; England, Wales, NW Europe 91%, Norway 9%
    Original Ancestry DNA; Europe West 54%, Great Britain 23%, Wales/Scotland/Ireland 13%; Scandinavia 7%; Iberian Peninsula 2%
    FTDNA; British Isles 81%, West and Central Europe 18%
    Paper Trail; England 87.5%, Wales 12.5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Livesey View Post
    Thanks for drawing my attention to this STR.
    We have a value of 16-17 for Z56>BY3548>Z43>FT15337>BY42722>Z29997. Three Big Y-700 results, two separated by 30 SNP's.
    Appears unique and could be useful for the future.
    107 out of 25,722 have 16-17 at DYF395S1. None of the 1259 U152 samples in the R1b project with a DYF395S1 value had 16-17. 59 U152 had 16-16.

    Other rare DFF395S1 values include
    0-0: 1 M269 sample
    11-16: 2 related L21 samples
    12-13: 2 related R-CTS3386 samples
    12-15: 2 related samples (same surname), R-S668, R-BY92554
    12-16: 3 samples, 2 U152, 1 M269
    13-15: 5 Finnish Y227680 samples are have same surname
    13-16: 12 samples from various haplogroups
    14-17: 1 M269 sample
    15-15-16: 5 samples various SNPs
    15-16-16: 1 U106
    15-18: 13 samples various haplogroups
    15-19: 1 Finnish sample
    16-18: 3 samples, 2 M269, 1 U106
    17-17: 10 samples various haplogroups
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 10-14-2021 at 05:02 AM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Really? 11-15 at DYF395S1?

    IIRC, When I looked at the last version you published a few years ago in the yahoo group, there was only one 11-15 at DYF395S1 out of several thousand samples in the spreadsheet.
    I found only two testers under 66,000 Y67 testers with these two values:

    Mitchell/249822 Z49 and Mitchell/B15049 FGC12384

    There is also one 11-16 Adopted/127869 L21.

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    Yesterday my 1st cousin's Big Y700 results came in! (8/23/2021 he was assigned Batch 1223) Of course he joined the terminal SNP (R-BY11186) that I and 3 others share (one is our 6th cousin).

    He and I have 965437 shared variants and 5 non-matching variants (ZS4024, A6148, BY44298, 19465053, 7910071).
    He has 3 private variants (12922470, 2832998, 7910071).
    I have 3 private variants (12922470, 2832998, 19465053).

    Since we share 12922470 and 2832998 I assume they will be named after the manual review and one will become our new terminal SNP. It would seem we'd each then have 1 private variant but the other 3 of our non-matching variants are what bugs me - ZS4024, A6148, BY44298 - why don't we share them? Maybe no-calls that may be looked at during the manual review?). (EDIT: More on this below) Anyway I'm glad to get these results and looking forward to the manual review.

    My 1st cousin's and my 5 non-matching variants:
    1st cousin
    SNP -------- Derived? --- On Y-Tree? --- Reference --- Genotype
    ZS4024 ------ No (-) -------- Yes ------------ A ------------- A
    A6148 ------- Yes (+) ------- No ------------- G ------------- A
    BY44298 ----- No (-) -------- Yes ------------ G ------------- G
    19465053 --- (Currently no results)
    7910071 --------------------------------------- A ------------- G

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    SNP -------- Derived? --- On Y-Tree? --- Reference --- Genotype
    ZS4024 ------ Yes (+) ------- Yes ------------- A ------------ G
    A6148 -------- No (-) --------- No ------------- G ------------ G
    BY44298 ----- Yes (+) ------- Yes ------------- G ------------ A
    19465053 --------------------------------------- G ------------ A
    7910071 ---- (Currently no results)

    1st cousin and Robert's (shared) private variants (our values are the same):
    Position -- Reference -- Genotype
    12922470 ---- G ---------- A
    2832998 ------ A ---------- C

    1st cousin’s third private variant ------ Robert’s values
    7910071 ------ A ---------- G --------- (Currently no results)

    Robert’s third private variant --------- 1st cousin’s values
    19465053 ---- G ----------- A --------- (Currently no results)

    I believe my 1st cousin and I actually have 2 non-matching variants not an unbelievable 5 over the ~60 years between our births and our grandfather's in 1888. We both got strange weak reads on three already named variants, ZS4024, A6148 and BY44298. Heck I only have 5 NMVs with my 6th cousin who was born ~1935 while our 5x great grandfather was born about 1680, ~255 to 270 years which falls in line with the SNP age estimation model.

    Hopefully the manual review will throw out ZS4024, A6148 and BY44298 - leaving my 1st cousin with one private variant, 7910071, and me with one private variant, 19465053. Both of these were strong reads.
    Screenshot 2021-10-14 7.59.07 PM.png
    Last edited by Robert1; 10-15-2021 at 02:47 AM.
     
    Estimated ancestry after reviewing Ancestry.com, 23&Me, FTDNA My Origins, Living DNA and known family history:
    33% English, 27% Scottish, 18% Welsh, 18% Irish, 4% German/Netherlands

    Y-DNA leads to Isle of Skye, Scottish Highlands: R1b>M343>L278>L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>L51>L151/L11>P312>Z290>L21/M529>DF13>L513/DF1>S5668>A7>Z21253> S7834 > S7828 > BY11203 > BY11186 (about 320-550 years old)

    MTDNA leads to Glamorgan, South Wales: K1a4a1f

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert1 View Post
    Yesterday my 1st cousin's Big Y700 results came in! (8/23/2021 he was assigned Batch 1223) Of course he joined the terminal SNP (R-BY11186) that I and 3 others share (one is our 6th cousin).

    He and I have 965437 shared variants and 5 non-matching variants (ZS4024, A6148, BY44298, 19465053, 7910071).
    He has 3 private variants (12922470, 2832998, 7910071).
    I have 3 private variants (12922470, 2832998, 19465053).

    Since we share 12922470 and 2832998 I assume they will be named after the manual review and one will become our new terminal SNP. It would seem we'd each then have 1 private variant but the other 3 of our non-matching variants are what bugs me - ZS4024, A6148, BY44298 - why don't we share them? Maybe no-calls that may be looked at during the manual review?). (EDIT: More on this below) Anyway I'm glad to get these results and looking forward to the manual review.

    My 1st cousin's and my 5 non-matching variants:
    1st cousin
    SNP -------- Derived? --- On Y-Tree? --- Reference --- Genotype
    ZS4024 ------ No (-) -------- Yes ------------ A ------------- A
    A6148 ------- Yes (+) ------- No ------------- G ------------- A
    BY44298 ----- No (-) -------- Yes ------------ G ------------- G
    19465053 --- (Currently no results)
    7910071 --------------------------------------- A ------------- G

    Robert
    SNP -------- Derived? --- On Y-Tree? --- Reference --- Genotype
    ZS4024 ------ Yes (+) ------- Yes ------------- A ------------ G
    A6148 -------- No (-) --------- No ------------- G ------------ G
    BY44298 ----- Yes (+) ------- Yes ------------- G ------------ A
    19465053 --------------------------------------- G ------------ A
    7910071 ---- (Currently no results)

    1st cousin and Robert's (shared) private variants (our values are the same):
    Position -- Reference -- Genotype
    12922470 ---- G ---------- A
    2832998 ------ A ---------- C

    1st cousin’s third private variant ------ Robert’s values
    7910071 ------ A ---------- G --------- (Currently no results)

    Robert’s third private variant --------- 1st cousin’s values
    19465053 ---- G ----------- A --------- (Currently no results)

    I believe my 1st cousin and I actually have 2 non-matching variants not an unbelievable 5 over the ~60 years between our births and our grandfather's in 1888. We both got strange weak reads on three already named variants, ZS4024, A6148 and BY44298. Heck I only have 5 NMVs with my 6th cousin who was born ~1935 while our 5x great grandfather was born about 1680, ~255 to 270 years which falls in line with the SNP age estimation model.

    Hopefully the manual review will throw out ZS4024, A6148 and BY44298 - leaving my 1st cousin with one private variant, 7910071, and me with one private variant, 19465053. Both of these were strong reads.
    Screenshot 2021-10-14 7.59.07 PM.png


    I wouldn’t put too much stock into the non-shared variants that aren’t Haplotree worthy. Some non-shared variants seem to give inconsistent results across different tests and different individuals. That’s why they never make it to the Haplotree after they are reviewed.

    I have a match who is most likely a 6th cousin once removed. On the Haplotree me and my father have 4 downstream SNPs since we diverged apart from him and he has 1 SNP. So we have a total of 5 true Haplotree non-shared variants. My father shows 23 non-shared variants with him on his list and I show 6.

    I really wish that Ftdna would not include non Haplotree worthy non shared variants in their 30 threshold for matching. This method of matching also doesn’t take into account fast vs slow mutation rates. I really wish they would switch to a matching method similar to YFull whereby your matches would be based on subclade branching.
    I-DF29: ool009 Skane, Sweden 1930-1750 BCE

    Z58, Z59, Z2041, Z2039, Z2040, Z382, FGC24333

    S26361: VK532 Zealand, Denmark 200-375 CE

    S16414, FGC24354, FGC24357, FGC24356, S10350

    FGC75802: VK446 Funen, Denmark 800-1050 CE

    Y125947, S21197, BY149414, BY188003, BY188570,

    FT213710 Belgium

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