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    Quote Originally Posted by Luso View Post
    would this test help me pinpoint my y-dna clade? It's a lot of money so not sure if I should buy it or not.
    If you just want to know furthest clades of your Z225 maybe an Yseq panel is a better option, and a quite cheaper one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    If you just want to know furthest clades of your Z225 maybe an Yseq panel is a better option, and a quite cheaper one.
    A fixed SNP Pack or Panel test is testing for other peoples’ SNPs so you don’t get your true or most refined haplogroup or subclade label. Oftentimes people doing these kinds of tests end up with haplogroup assignments thousands of years old.
    Big Y700 scans millions of locations on the Y chromosome. This checks known SNPs on the tree, but more importantly, gives you your own line of SNPs which oftentimes times discovers new more youthful branching which is then added to the tree. Your own line of SNPs almost always includes newly discovered private SNPs. These are most important of all as they are latent and can eventually uncover more branching as other people test. You haplogroup is dynamic with Big Y700 because as more and more testers come in they are being matched against your line of SNPs, including your private SNPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerMW View Post
    A fixed SNP Pack or Panel test is testing for other peoples’ SNPs so you don’t get your true or most refined haplogroup or subclade label. Oftentimes people doing these kinds of tests end up with haplogroup assignments thousands of years old.
    Big Y700 scans millions of locations on the Y chromosome. This checks known SNPs on the tree, but more importantly, gives you your own line of SNPs which oftentimes times discovers new more youthful branching which is then added to the tree. Your own line of SNPs almost always includes newly discovered private SNPs. These are most important of all as they are latent and can eventually uncover more branching as other people test. You haplogroup is dynamic with Big Y700 because as more and more testers come in they are being matched against your line of SNPs, including your private SNPs.
    One question, is a whole genome sequencing test interesting in these issues too? (Nebula or Yseq, or anything else...).

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    For those interested, Göran Runfeldt of Family Tree DNA, has collaborated with the host of Viking Stories, on an episode about Ancient YDNA. Using examples from some of Family Tree’s customers, who have matched Ancient DNA samples.

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    Last edited by JMcB; 06-13-2021 at 04:07 AM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    One question, is a whole genome sequencing test interesting in these issues these issues too?
    Sure, WGS tests also do SNP discovery. It is the FTDNA Pack/YSEQ Panel or 23andMe/Ancestry/chip array tests that only target known SNPs (not discovering your own line of SNPs).

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    They haven't cross-referenced Dad's and my "private" variants, and so we currently share the same "terminal" SNP that I shared with my previous closest match (our lines seem to have split off ~600-800 years ago, but the families have MDKA in the 1600's only about 35km apart in Hesse).

    For some reason, Dad has 10 private variants and I only have 9 (which match 9 of his 10)
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    I was looking through info on R-BY15235, which they have me at right now. Some info states this one has an age of ~3,400 years, which seems pretty far back to be placed at. Others under R-BY15235 seem to be categorized several levels further so far, but right now they have me in my own branch under R-BY15235 according to the block diagram. So I guess I'll have to wait until more test to get anything further, but it's definitely interesting so far.
    Paper Trail - Primarily French Canadian and Scottish (through Canada), after that there is English, Portuguese, German, and a small amount of Native American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    For some reason, Dad has 10 private variants and I only have 9 (which match 9 of his 10)
    You can use the browser to go look in your DNA at the missing variant in yours. Maybe it didn't pass QA in your results or just missed on yours.
    Daughter's ggg grandparents(father to left, mother to right)
    Y-DNA: R-BY4242, R-Z344, ?, ?, E-FT41362, ?, E-L29, ?, R-Z20907, ?, ?, ?, R-L2, R-L20, ?, ?
    MT-DNA: ?, ?, H3g, ?, ?, ?, ?, W6a, ?, N1b1, ?, B4a1a1, ?, U5b2a, ?, H3h, ?, ?, H15a1, ?, ?, ?, ?, I3a, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, K1c1g

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris View Post
    You can use the browser to go look in your DNA at the missing variant in yours. Maybe it didn't pass QA in your results or just missed on yours.
    So if it says "Currently no results" for that one when I check my results, it just missed that SNP for me?
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    So if it says "Currently no results" for that one when I check my results, it just missed that SNP for me?
    It’s possible. I had a strange situation where a SNP I knew I was positive for, never showed up in the branch I formed with my closest matches. It was in the combBED region and it was also positive in all of the VCF files my matches submitted to YFull. So I was curious why it never made it into our block of SNPs. After a while, I decided to call them about it and they took a look and added it to our branch. We were also getting:“Currently no results”.

    Sometimes things can fall through the cracks.
    Last edited by JMcB; 06-16-2021 at 02:32 AM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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