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    Quote Originally Posted by FionnSneachta View Post
    I knew when buying the Big Y 700 upgrade that I may not get anything out of it and I warned my matches of that as well when I informed them of the upgrades. A good few of us went for it since we would never know if we didn't buy it. Two matches have received upgrades but we won't know the significance until all the upgrades have been received for comparison purposes whether the new SNPs are higher up the tree or if new branches can be formed. I think we need to bear in mind that a large number of people would have bought these upgrades around the same time which would automatically lead to a backlog. My results might not even change much and I think that's what is making me feel like my results aren't that delayed since I'm not that anxious to get them. I'm not keeping up to date with the expected due dates since I know that it is just automatic. I asked about my sample when it got the first delay just to make sure that I didn't need to give a new sample. I'll probably get in contact in early August just to check on it again if I haven't received the results by then. I'll only check on it though since I know that the help desk can't do anything to hurry along the process so I'm not going to bother complain about it.
    The problem is that they didn’t appear to seem to sort Big Y-500 to Big Y-700 upgrades separately from new Big Y-700 customers.

    I agree there’s not much anticipation for someone who already has Big Y-500 results to wait for Big Y-700. What sucks are the 16-20 week processing timeframes for new Big Y-700 customers, especially when you take into account that Ftdna were advertising hopeful timeframes of 2-4 weeks in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Yeah, well one of my project members got his results, and, honestly, I can't see much of a thrill from them other than the fact that now he has over 800 STRs.
    Here's another data point and why I agree that expectations shouldn't be too high for Y700 upgrades from Y500.

    As background I just had two Y700 upgrades complete in the past week, one in each of two of my largest surname project subgroups. Both subgroups have 4-5 Big Y500s already and one already had one Y700. The two subgroups are about the same age (one founding ancestor about 1300AD, the other about 1400AD) and based on the Big Y500s already we have a couple of branching SNPs within each subgroup and private SNPs for nearly all the kits with Big Ys. Branching in both subgroups was pretty well identified on the basis of both SNPs and STRs before the Y700 upgrades.

    No branching in either subgroup changed as a result of the upgrades. In each subgroup the new Y700 test identified a couple of additional private SNPs on the line of the upgraded kit. In one subgroup, a branching SNP was confirmed that was only suspected before (because the original Y500 hadn't covered it and the Y700 upgrade did). In the other subgroup, a branching SNP was identified for a branch that had been previously identified by STRs. As far as the new STRs go, 6 new STRs in the Panel 7 (the new STRs in Y700) have mutations among the subgroups but served just to confirm the existing branching.

    So in short, the two Y700s added detail but did not yield new discoveries (unless you count the identification of a SNP marking a branch that was previously known/suspected from STRs).

    I really think we'll see that pattern repeated with Y700 upgrades. Obviously with new Big Y700s where a kit had nothing or only had STRs before, the chances for discovery are far greater, but for the upgrades from Y500 to Y700 it's likely to just add small bits of knowledge. It may certainly answer an important specific question like whether a branching SNP can be identified, where that may be important, but otherwise breadth (i.e. getting more kits to NGS-test) may be more important for overall mapping of a subgroup than depth (i.e. going from Y500 to Y700).

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    Is there anyway to get this cheaper? £400 is a lot of money to spend on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    Is there anyway to get this cheaper? £400 is a lot of money to spend on this.
    Wait for a sale and some coupon codes. That's really all I can think of.

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    My BigY700 upgrade now makes the 4th Big Y700 in a group with an estimated most recent common ancestor from around 1100 A.D. The second Big Y700 reported results in mid-April and the third in mid-May. I was therefore surprised to see that I have 15 unnamed variants in my upgrade, but the mystery is now explained -- two of the three other Big Y700's have posted results at the Big tree and both share 8 of my 15 unnamed variants. The third guy is a close relative (same surname and close STR match) of one of the other two, so almost certainly is also positive for these 8 unnamed SNPs as well. Seven of the eight actually have names, having been identified in a Y Elite test of a close relative of mine. So, FTDNA is months behind in naming SNPs shared by multiple Big Y 700 kits.

    None of the remaining 7 unnamed SNPs help to order the split between the 3 different surnames who now have Big Y700 results (these 7 are shared with neither of the other 2 kits whose results I can see on the Big Tree). It is of course possible that the three surnames descend from three brothers, in which case, no ordering is even possible. In general, the briefer the time window of interest, the lower the chances that an upgrade is going to thread the needle with an informative new SNP.

    There is also a challenge for making a coherent tree with these shared SNPs -- there are already several sibling branches on the Big Y500 tree from a MRCA still a bit (one SNP) earlier, but none of the more than 20 descendants of those multiple sibling branches have Big Y700 results. No doubt most the 8 SNPs are also shared by them, but until each branch gets a Big Y700 test (or a branch even higher in the tree turns up positive for the SNP), it will be impossible to place these SNPs in a certain location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    The problem is that they didn’t appear to seem to sort Big Y-500 to Big Y-700 upgrades separately from new Big Y-700 customers.

    I agree there’s not much anticipation for someone who already has Big Y-500 results to wait for Big Y-700. What sucks are the 16-20 week processing timeframes for new Big Y-700 customers, especially when you take into account that Ftdna were advertising hopeful timeframes of 2-4 weeks in the future.
    I think it's clear from posts on different forums that a lot of previous Big Y-500 testers wouldn't be happy if first time buyers were getting precedence over them though since they're loyal customers, etc. It is possible that the Big Y-700 timeframe may end up being similar to what they had advertised in the future once the backlog has cleared but that may not be the case either. Time will tell.
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    Paternal great grandfather (mt): Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FionnSneachta View Post
    I think it's clear from posts on different forums that a lot of previous Big Y-500 testers wouldn't be happy if first time buyers were getting precedence over them though since they're loyal customers, etc. It is possible that the Big Y-700 timeframe may end up being similar to what they had advertised in the future once the backlog has cleared but that may not be the case either. Time will tell.
    True! I just feel that it was poor planning on Ftdna’s part to go from a 16-20 week processing timeframe at the end of 2018 for their transition from Big Y-500 to Big Y-700 to then continue that backlog and 16-20 week processing timeframe by allowing so many Big Y-500 kits to upgrade at the end of March.

    I personally feel that getting new testers is a higher priority to building the Haplotree and learning more than adding SNPs to already known branches. It’s hard enough to convince someone to spend the amount of money Big Y costs let alone convince them that it might take around 5 months. It’s hard to stay motivated and to keep people motivated with these type of timeframes. But like you said hopefully, the backlog clears up soon. What I’ve noticed though (maybe incorrectly) that each sale every few months seems to keep the backlog steady. Maybe it’s a misperception of mine?
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    YFull notified me last night that my analysis for my BigY-700 upgrade was ready. The charge to access it was $49. There are some new SNPs discovered but not a new terminal SNP or any further close matches. I expected this since my subclade, approaching my terminal SNP, is not well tested and none of those who are close matches upgraded to Y-700 to my knowledge. My interest in upgrading was more for posterity's sake. Perhaps there will be future matches or maybe as medieval samples are found and tested these additional SNPs will help to create a better picture of things.

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    Anyone receive Big Y-700 results this week?
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