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  1. #21
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    Y-DNA (P)
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    U7a3a
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    R1b-Z2103 > Y35099
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    M5a1a

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    Update: He's been confirmed Y35099+ since two months ago. He checked the account when I asked him about it just now because it got lost in his emails.

    Here's the clade on YFull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y35099/

    Does anyone here have more information on it, apart from the two Hindu Punjabi samples on YFull?
    YFull: YF67680 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-SK2142 > M127 - M5a1a
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-Z2103 > Y35099 - U7a3a
    * MGMs F (?): L-M22 > M357 - ?
    * PGMs F (?): Q-F1096 > F4747 - ?
    * MGMs MGF (?): R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

    Friends haplos:
    * North Moroccan Berber: E-M35 > M81 - R0
    * Han Chinese: O-M117 > F1531 - M7e
    * Gujarati Lohana (?): T-Y11151 > Y13290 - R30b1

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    Update: He's been confirmed Y35099+ since two months ago. He checked the account when I asked him about it just now because it got lost in his emails.

    Here's the clade on YFull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y35099/

    Does anyone here have more information on it, apart from the two Hindu Punjabi samples on YFull?
    . Somehow he is related to a branch of Yamnaya and Eastern Europe and Ossetians R1b -z2110 How ,and where the lines split ? It would be nice to see how they are connected to the Swedes .
    Last edited by Silesian; 08-08-2019 at 01:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    Hey guys,

    My maternal Uncle recieved his 23andMe results today. His Y-DNA assignment is R-CTS1843. I've seen that this is a subclade of R-Z2103, a rare Indo-Iranian branch of R-M269 which is seen quite a lot in the Near East. I believe R-Z2103 makes up almost all of the R-M269 seen in Iranians (descendants of Indo-Iranians), although it's much rarer in Indo-Aryans (also descendants of Indo-Iranians), who are dominated by R1a-Z93.

    From data me and others have collected on paternal haplogroups in my ethnoreligious group (Punjabi Jatt Sikh's), R1a-Z93 accounts for around 40% of all men in this group, whereas R1b-Z2103 is almost nonexistant here - there are only two R1b Jatts I've seen, and one of them is my maternal uncle. Some Brahmins have R1b, and Rajasthani Lambani's (37%!), Tajik Pamiris and Pathans have it too.

    I'm no expert on R1b myself. I'm hoping an actual expert can enlighten me on exactly how common this lineage is in India?

    P.S: Yes, I am getting him a YSEQ test down the line
    The 37% R1b Lambadi samples were from Andhra Pradesh. High R1b percentages detected among Hazaras (32%) Agharias (30%) and Newars (Nepal) (10%). All these are rather small communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinosaurusN3H1 View Post
    The 37% R1b Lambadi samples were from Andhra Pradesh. High R1b percentages detected among Hazaras (32%) Agharias (30%) and Newars (Nepal) (10%). All these are rather small communities.
    Thanks for the correction! My bad!
    YFull: YF67680 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-SK2142 > M127 - M5a1a
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-Z2103 > Y35099 - U7a3a
    * MGMs F (?): L-M22 > M357 - ?
    * PGMs F (?): Q-F1096 > F4747 - ?
    * MGMs MGF (?): R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

    Friends haplos:
    * North Moroccan Berber: E-M35 > M81 - R0
    * Han Chinese: O-M117 > F1531 - M7e
    * Gujarati Lohana (?): T-Y11151 > Y13290 - R30b1

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    Thanks for the correction! My bad!
    You are most welcome dear

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    Y-DNA (P)
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    R1b-Z2103 > Y35099
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    I've just purchased a Dante Labs kit for my maternal uncle - I'll let you all know when he's on YFull.

    My uncle (and two other Punjabi Hindus - most likely Khatris) are the only people on YFull who are Y14415+ and Y14512-, so hopefully this helps you Z2103's out a bit
    YFull: YF67680 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-SK2142 > M127 - M5a1a
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-Z2103 > Y35099 - U7a3a
    * MGMs F (?): L-M22 > M357 - ?
    * PGMs F (?): Q-F1096 > F4747 - ?
    * MGMs MGF (?): R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

    Friends haplos:
    * North Moroccan Berber: E-M35 > M81 - R0
    * Han Chinese: O-M117 > F1531 - M7e
    * Gujarati Lohana (?): T-Y11151 > Y13290 - R30b1

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    Y-DNA (P)
    R2-SK2142 > M127
    mtDNA (M)
    U7a3a
    Y-DNA (M)
    R1b-Z2103 > Y35099
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    My maternal uncles Dante Labs 30x results arrived around a month ago, but I just got his hg38 BAM two days ago. I then extracted Y-DNA and mtDNA data into a separate file and submitted his results to YFull as soon as I could. Therefore, I thought it would be a good time to make another inquiry about his Y-DNA.

    My maternal uncle comes under R1b-Y35099 (his YFull ID is YF72260). The only other samples under this subclade are two other Indian Punjabi samples from an ENA BioProject titled "The South Asian genome: Low Coverage Whole Genome Sequencing" with ENA study accession code PRJEB5738.

    YFull and FTDNA lack dates for R1b-Y35099 (with FTDNA lacking the subclade altogether) but YFull dates the subclade above it (R1b-Y14415) at 5000 ybp and Scaled Innovation dates it at 3200 ybp. I'm more inclined to believe YFull as their date lines up much better with the R1a-Z93 subclades found in South Asia (YFull and Scaled Innovation date R1a-Z93 at 4600 and 4900 ybp respectively).

    Looking at the path predictions from PhyloGeographer and Scaled Innovation, the former puts the origin of R1b-Y14415 around West Turkey and the latter around East Croatia. Considering the presence of R1b-Z2103 in Yamnaya, I'm guessing the origin of this subclade (and the split between R1b-Y35099 and R1b-Y14420) would've occurred around East Europe. Whether the split occurred closer to East Croatia or Southwest Russia, I'm not entirely sure.

    Looking at distributions of R1b-Y14415 (xY35099) on YFull and FTDNA, it appears to be seen around West and Central Europe. Could it's presence in that region possibly be attributed to the Corded Ware culture?

    https://indo-european.eu/2018/04/ear...ng-migrations/

    This appears to suggest that R1a-Z93 and R1b-Z2103 were both prevalent in the Corded Ware culture, and R1a-Z93 is very common in South Asia (my ethnic group has roughly 40% of Y-DNA coming somewhere under R1a-Z93), so I'm guessing my uncles subclade came from there too?

    I'm writing all of this as I would like to hear the thoughts of people who are far more knowledgeable with R1b than I'll ever be when it comes to my uncles subclade origins (i.e. where did it enter South Asia from?). To me, it looks like an East European lineage that travelled alongside R1a-Z93 towards South Asia. Again, I look forward to hearing anyone elses thoughts. Thank you very much!





    YFull: YF67680 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-SK2142 > M127 - M5a1a
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-Z2103 > Y35099 - U7a3a
    * MGMs F (?): L-M22 > M357 - ?
    * PGMs F (?): Q-F1096 > F4747 - ?
    * MGMs MGF (?): R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

    Friends haplos:
    * North Moroccan Berber: E-M35 > M81 - R0
    * Han Chinese: O-M117 > F1531 - M7e
    * Gujarati Lohana (?): T-Y11151 > Y13290 - R30b1

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