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    4000 years old civilisation at ‘Mahabharat era’ excavation site, different from IVC

    Previously, the Archeological Survey of India had discovered the ‘First Ever’ physical evidence of chariots being used in a near 2000 BC period which was considered the bronze age. As per reports, the excavation that had turned up royal burial sites with sophisticated weaponry, ornaments, pottery and other materials suggested that a highly sophisticated ‘warrior class’ civilisation existed in that region.
    In one of the burials, the ASI recovered copper mirror, hairpin, channel, beads, painted vanity and pottery with a female skeleton.
    At the second location, the ASI unearthed remains of four furnaces with three associated working levels. “The furnaces yielded slags, potsherds, and few charred bones. Stone weights, anvils, animal figurines, etc are a part of the antiquities recovered from this area. The overall ceramic assemblage has late Harappan characters,” said the ASI furthering that “The nature of burial pottery, coffins, antiquities suggest a complex of late Harappan period. Sanauli is important in not only giving new evidence of copper decorated chariots and coffins, shields in the subcontinent first time but also in the understanding of the cultural scenario of the upper Ganga-Yamuna Doab.”

    https://www.opindia.com/2019/05/asi-...-civilisation/

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    Chariots circa 2000BC? Seems like a stretch no?
    is it related to this?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochr...ottery_culture

    Perhaps Early Vedic + degenerate Harappan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by client View Post
    Chariots circa 2000BC? Seems like a stretch no?
    is it related to this?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochr...ottery_culture

    Perhaps Early Vedic + degenerate Harappan?
    I'm surprised as well. This has to be early Indo Aryans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    I'm surprised as well. This has to early Indo Aryans.

    This was covered months ago in another thread, they are basically near replicas of Mesopotamian style chariots but better made and those helmets too, they are definitely not Indo Iranian style chariots which are more light weight, spokewheeled , more importantly there were no horse remains or horse bits found. Red/Ochre pottery is typically IVC related, Grey Ware is definitely
    Indo Aryan. It looks like a local subculture. I don't think Indo Aryans arrive in the Gangetic plains till the early Iron Age.

    We, however, have not found evidence of a horse at the site,” said Manjul, while pointing out the theory that Aryans brought the horse with them, too, was not entirely watertight. “Evidence of horses, including fossils of teeth have been found at other Harappan sites,”

    His last sentence is deflection but we know horses were brought by IIr groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    This was covered months ago in another thread, they are basically near replicas of Mesopotamian style chariots but better made and those helmets too, they are definitely not Indo Iranian style chariots which are more light weight, spokewheeled , more importantly there were no horse remains or horse bits found. Red/Ochre pottery is typically IVC related, Grey Ware is definitely
    Indo Aryan. It looks like a local subculture. I don't think Indo Aryans arrive in the Gangetic plains till the early Iron Age.
    You think they learned these from trade with the Mesopotamians? What do these look like?


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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    You think they learned these from trade with the Mesopotamians? What do these look like?

    Yes , definitely they are too clunky for horses tbh, they were largely driven by oxen or donkeys. You can immediately tell from the petrified wheels . Mesopotamians were their biggest trading partners.

    We, however, have not found evidence of a horse at the site,” said Manjul
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    But the Warlike tendencies are surprising, perhaps these people were related to the
    Salvas?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salva_(India)

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