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    Haplogroup R1A1 in north africa

    hi everyone , I need some help to find how R1a1 haplogroup is introduced in Tunisia and north africa in general, this haplogroup is very rare in this region and is its presence must be linked to a people or an event, I'm doing some research on the subject and I found that the best candidates are : vandals who came from eastern Germany and Founded a kingdom in Tunisia, romans, byzantines, arabs and turkish, so if anyone have remarks, historical information or ideas about this subject it will be most welcome.

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    Possibly Vandals, east Germanic tribe

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    Vandals (East Germanic) or Alans (Iranian nomadic people) would be a good bet in the case of Tunisia, especially with the Vandal kingdom in North Africa.

    However we can't rule out other possibilities such as later Norman influence, at least when "Africa" at the time was part of Roger of Sicily's kingdom.

    Do you have any Y-DNA matches? Do you have any indication of where they may be from?

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    Could conceivably be something much earlier, e.g. a minor tag-along with R1b-V88 (R1a-YP1272 about same age as R1b-Y8451).

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    You made the exact same thread a few years ago, why not just restart there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    Could conceivably be something much earlier, e.g. a minor tag-along with R1b-V88 (R1a-YP1272 about same age as R1b-Y8451).
    Agreed. There are a number of possibilities, it's really hard to say honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Vandals (East Germanic) or Alans (Iranian nomadic people) would be a good bet in the case of Tunisia, especially with the Vandal kingdom in North Africa.

    However we can't rule out other possibilities such as later Norman influence, at least when "Africa" at the time was part of Roger of Sicily's kingdom.

    Do you have any Y-DNA matches? Do you have any indication of where they may be from?
    Unfortunately I don't have matches

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darko View Post
    hi everyone , I need some help to find how R1a1 haplogroup is introduced in Tunisia and north africa in general, this haplogroup is very rare in this region and is its presence must be linked to a people or an event, I'm doing some research on the subject and I found that the best candidates are : vandals who came from eastern Germany and Founded a kingdom in Tunisia, romans, byzantines, arabs and turkish, so if anyone have remarks, historical information or ideas about this subject it will be most welcome.
    I suppose until more Tunisians are tested, and/or we dig up some Vandals it’s difficult to see where you cluster, I see there is a Belorussian in your Haplogroup but it’s 4000 yrs old, but interesting none the less, it could have got there on any known or as yet unknown events.
    I think the Vandals probably would have been Corderedware which I think were mostly a sub Clade of R-Z283, so maybe a Persian/Byzantium event?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darko View Post
    hi everyone , I need some help to find how R1a1 haplogroup is introduced in Tunisia and north africa in general, this haplogroup is very rare in this region and is its presence must be linked to a people or an event, I'm doing some research on the subject and I found that the best candidates are : vandals who came from eastern Germany and Founded a kingdom in Tunisia, romans, byzantines, arabs and turkish, so if anyone have remarks, historical information or ideas about this subject it will be most welcome.

    Acc. to Yfull, your R1a Y-Dna belongs to a very ancient offshoot of M459, which branched off about 12,000 yrs ago from the M198 to which most of today's "usual culprits" (:=)) belong. So I would very much doubt that relatively recent historical events associated with the expansion of M198 types would best explain its presence in Tunisia. Interestingly your closest current YDna Yfull result contacts (are you the Tunisian who is recorded there?) are noted as from Russia, Belarus, and Egypt. It seems likely that your branch also originated in the far north. But how and when it got to Africa remains a puzzle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    Acc. to Yfull, your R1a Y-Dna belongs to a very ancient offshoot of M459, which branched off about 12,000 yrs ago from the M198 to which most of today's "usual culprits" (:=)) belong. So I would very much doubt that relatively recent historical events associated with the expansion of M198 types would best explain its presence in Tunisia. Interestingly your closest current YDna Yfull result contacts (are you the Tunisian who is recorded there?) are noted as from Russia, Belarus, and Egypt. It seems likely that your branch also originated in the far north. But how and when it got to Africa remains a puzzle.
    Yes i'm the tunisian on yfull.

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