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    Lightbulb Ancestor of R1a men on GEDmatch

    This is the oldest known man with R1a-M417 which is ancestral to most of modern R1a:

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map...9.7132/37.6369

    R1a-M417 ancestor I6561 Sredny Stog II, Alexandria (Ukrainian Steppe), ca. 3500 BC:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Age-Alexandria







    I have uploaded his DNA to GEDmatch Genesis.

    Kit number on GEDmatch Genesis - ZL8105546

    Eurogenes K13. Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 39.98
    2 North_Atlantic 39.39
    3 West_Asian 15.56
    4 South_Asian 2.93
    5 West_Med 1.16
    6 Oceanian 0.7
    7 Amerindian 0.27

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 North_Swedish 13.87
    2 Southwest_Finnish 14.42
    3 South_Polish 15.29
    4 Polish 15.68
    5 Finnish 16.09
    6 Swedish 16.27
    7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.71
    8 Russian_Smolensk 16.87
    9 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.97
    10 Estonian 17.03
    11 East_German 17.22
    12 Ukrainian 17.44
    13 Belorussian 17.47
    14 North_German 17.54
    15 Southwest_Russian 17.68
    16 Hungarian 18.24
    17 Estonian_Polish 18.25
    18 Austrian 18.38
    19 Norwegian 18.71
    20 La_Brana-1 18.8

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 79.4% Southwest_Finnish + 20.6% Tabassaran @ 9.71
    2 80.9% North_Swedish + 19.1% Tabassaran @ 9.92
    3 80.8% Southwest_Finnish + 19.2% Lezgin @ 10.13
    4 82% North_Swedish + 18% Lezgin @ 10.14
    5 85.5% Southwest_Finnish + 14.5% Balochi @ 10.27
    6 86% Southwest_Finnish + 14% Brahui @ 10.39
    7 82.5% North_Swedish + 17.5% Chechen @ 10.4
    8 81.2% Southwest_Finnish + 18.8% Chechen @ 10.42
    9 87% North_Swedish + 13% Balochi @ 10.58
    10 85.5% North_Swedish + 14.5% Kalash @ 10.63
    11 87.4% North_Swedish + 12.6% Brahui @ 10.68
    12 84.6% Southwest_Finnish + 15.4% Kalash @ 10.75
    13 86.3% Southwest_Finnish + 13.7% Makrani @ 10.8
    14 51.2% Swedish + 48.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 10.82
    15 54.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 45.4% Norwegian @ 10.87

    16 83.3% Southwest_Finnish + 16.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.91
    17 84.7% North_Swedish + 15.3% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.95
    18 85.2% North_Swedish + 14.8% North_Ossetian @ 11.02
    19 87.8% North_Swedish + 12.2% Makrani @ 11.05
    20 85.2% North_Swedish + 14.8% Adygei @ 11.1

    Eurogenes K36 results:

    98715 SNPs used in this evaluation

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 5.16 Pct
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 6.56 Pct
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 17.70 Pct
    Fennoscandian 9.30 Pct
    French 4.41 Pct

    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian -
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 20.16 Pct
    North_Caucasian 8.21 Pct
    North_Sea 21.89 Pct

    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 4.13 Pct
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 2.48 Pct
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -

    Similarity Map:



    Also, admixture data for this guy from the study:

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    Thanks for the interesting maps!

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    How he plots in ph2ter's Eurogenes K13 Megaplot:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....3-PCA-Megaplot


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    Hola Grandfather. You were probably such a warrior stud. I find it interesting that his closest similarity map match is in the Orkneys! Mine is a trio of 79s in Bavaria, Swabia, and German Switzerland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyP37 View Post
    the Orkneys
    It is actually Mainland Scotland (AFAIK), but positions for some regions are a bit skewed on Tolan's map.

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    Wasn’t the Alexandria sample possibly under Z93 too ? I can’t remember exactly . Anyhow , the similarity map nicely conveys the strong impact of steppe ancestry in the north in contrast to the south .

    YDNA likely journey simplified : Battle Axe Culture > Nordic Bronze Age > Scandinavian Iron Age > Norsemen > Scots > probably Somerled

    Ancestry: English, Scottish & Irish

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    Quote Originally Posted by angscoire View Post
    Wasn’t the Alexandria sample possibly under Z93 too ? I can’t remember exactly . Anyhow , the similarity map nicely conveys the strong impact of steppe ancestry in the north in contrast to the south .
    That was reported but not confirmed.
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....h-Asia/page190

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    Quote Originally Posted by angscoire View Post
    Wasn’t the Alexandria sample possibly under Z93 too ? I can’t remember exactly . Anyhow , the similarity map nicely conveys the strong impact of steppe ancestry in the north in contrast to the south .
    Yes, some Russian guy on molgen.ru posted that he was under Y3, which is ancestral to Indo-Aryan R1a-L657. Semargl(y-dna expert) confirmed it on that Forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Yes, some Russian guy on molgen.ru posted that he was under Y3, which is ancestral to Indo-Aryan R1a-L657. Semargl(y-dna expert) confirmed it on that Forum
    Hello Coldmountains,

    Did Semargl confirm it? I can't read Russian, but tried google translate, and it was not very clear if he did, or if someone stated that he did. I think that region is where Z93 originated, but I am concerned that the sample appears a bit too old to be Y3.
    Thanks.
    https://translate.google.com/transla...65&prev=search

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Hello Coldmountains,

    Did Semargl confirm it? I can't read Russian, but tried google translate, and it was not very clear if he did, or if someone stated that he did. I think that region is where Z93 originated, but I am concerned that the sample appears a bit too old to be Y3.
    Thanks.
    https://translate.google.com/transla...65&prev=search
    He wrote that he asked Semargl and Semargl confirmed it to him (the "he" in the translation is a mistranslation). As far as i know Y-full tends to underestimate the age of many clades (20%) but you are right it is not 100% confirmed.
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