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Thread: Ancestor of R1a men on GEDmatch

  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    This is the oldest known man with R1a-M417 which is ancestral to most of modern R1a:

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map...9.7132/37.6369

    R1a-M417 ancestor I6561 Sredny Stog II, Alexandria (Ukrainian Steppe), ca. 3500 BC:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Age-Alexandria







    I have uploaded his DNA to GEDmatch Genesis.

    Kit number on GEDmatch Genesis - ZL8105546

    Eurogenes K13. Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baltic 39.98
    2 North_Atlantic 39.39
    3 West_Asian 15.56
    4 South_Asian 2.93
    5 West_Med 1.16
    6 Oceanian 0.7
    7 Amerindian 0.27

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 North_Swedish 13.87
    2 Southwest_Finnish 14.42
    3 South_Polish 15.29
    4 Polish 15.68
    5 Finnish 16.09
    6 Swedish 16.27
    7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.71
    8 Russian_Smolensk 16.87
    9 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.97
    10 Estonian 17.03
    11 East_German 17.22
    12 Ukrainian 17.44
    13 Belorussian 17.47
    14 North_German 17.54
    15 Southwest_Russian 17.68
    16 Hungarian 18.24
    17 Estonian_Polish 18.25
    18 Austrian 18.38
    19 Norwegian 18.71
    20 La_Brana-1 18.8

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 79.4% Southwest_Finnish + 20.6% Tabassaran @ 9.71
    2 80.9% North_Swedish + 19.1% Tabassaran @ 9.92
    3 80.8% Southwest_Finnish + 19.2% Lezgin @ 10.13
    4 82% North_Swedish + 18% Lezgin @ 10.14
    5 85.5% Southwest_Finnish + 14.5% Balochi @ 10.27
    6 86% Southwest_Finnish + 14% Brahui @ 10.39
    7 82.5% North_Swedish + 17.5% Chechen @ 10.4
    8 81.2% Southwest_Finnish + 18.8% Chechen @ 10.42
    9 87% North_Swedish + 13% Balochi @ 10.58
    10 85.5% North_Swedish + 14.5% Kalash @ 10.63
    11 87.4% North_Swedish + 12.6% Brahui @ 10.68
    12 84.6% Southwest_Finnish + 15.4% Kalash @ 10.75
    13 86.3% Southwest_Finnish + 13.7% Makrani @ 10.8
    14 51.2% Swedish + 48.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 10.82
    15 54.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 45.4% Norwegian @ 10.87

    16 83.3% Southwest_Finnish + 16.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.91
    17 84.7% North_Swedish + 15.3% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.95
    18 85.2% North_Swedish + 14.8% North_Ossetian @ 11.02
    19 87.8% North_Swedish + 12.2% Makrani @ 11.05
    20 85.2% North_Swedish + 14.8% Adygei @ 11.1

    Eurogenes K36 results:

    98715 SNPs used in this evaluation

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 5.16 Pct
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 6.56 Pct
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 17.70 Pct
    Fennoscandian 9.30 Pct
    French 4.41 Pct

    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian -
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 20.16 Pct
    North_Caucasian 8.21 Pct
    North_Sea 21.89 Pct

    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 4.13 Pct
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 2.48 Pct
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -

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    Also, admixture data for this guy from the study:

    Eurogenes K36 and the other calculators based on modern components are very inaccurate for any ancient people. We can not model ancient people as mixture of modern people because they are the ancestors of modern people and not the other way around. This is the same like modelling a man as mixture of his children.
    Y-DNA: R1a> R-M417> R-Z645> R-Z93> R-Z94> R-Y3 (Sredny Stog culture)> R-L657> R-Y4(Andronovo)> R-Y6> R-Y5> R-Y920* (Pashtun)

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    Thanks for the post, very interesting.
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    He has matches with modern people in One-To-Many, including one Telugu Brahmin from Andhra Pradesh.

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    Celt? Vik? East-Ger Sorb?
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    Y hu R1b/U106/S1688/Y9825
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    This is the same as modelling a man as a mixture of his children.
    I thought you could do that, ie model a father based on his children provided there were at least 10 kids and you had the mother, or in my fathers family , there are 13 children with the same father ..3 (including him) fromhis first wife, and the other 10 from his 2nd wife. Surely it should be possible to "recreate" a "father" if all children sampled.. better still with more from the first wife? As it is I can look for "in common" with my father's half sibling who has tested to narrow down the matches to his father's relatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan_Noack View Post
    I thought you could do that, ie model a father based on his children provided there were at least 10 kids and you had the mother, or in my fathers family , there are 13 children with the same father ..3 (including him) fromhis first wife, and the other 10 from his 2nd wife. Surely it should be possible to "recreate" a "father" if all children sampled.. better still with more from the first wife? As it is I can look for "in common" with my father's half sibling who has tested to narrow down the matches to his father's relatives.
    Are you predicted L1029? noticed it just now. Surprised how that got to Ireland. Perhaps a Pomeranian viking.
    Known Ancestry: Albanian
    23andme results: 94% Balkan, 0.9% Italian, 0.8% Middle Eastern, 2.2% broadly southern European, 0.3 British & Irish, 0.3% Japanese, 0.5% unassigned
    MyOrigins2.0: 100% Southeast European
    MyAncientOrigins: 62% Farmer, 24% Hunter Gatherer, 14% Metal Age Invader
    MyHeritage: 76% Greek, 16% Balkan, 8% Italian
    WeGene: 99.5% Balkan, 0.5% unassigned
    GenePlaza: 92.7% East Mediterranean, 5.2% Southwestern European, 1.5% Ambiguous
    DNA.LAND: 95% Balkan, 5% Sardinian

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    Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Are you predicted L1029? noticed it just now. Surprised how that got to Ireland. Perhaps a Pomeranian viking.
    My father is predicted L1029, He has north-west Slav looks and golden brown skin(not as golden as Scandinavian)- no freckles, blue eyes and golden brown to blonde hair. He comes from Oder River - northern Silesia-Brandenburg area. YDNA ancestry from Crossen an der Oder but probably from down near Czechoslovakia the generation before as I found others with a similar surname who had recently been born there and moved to Crossen. I thought maybe some wend/Sorb but they said it was too far to the East (not a long way northeast of Lusatia though). I posted a 20XWGS to Full genomes but it hasn't arrived and they have just sent me out another collection kit. Pity as I took a lot of trouble to get a great sample. Can anyone help me in HOW they posted the tubes back? I just put them in an envelope wrapped in bubble wrap-placed inside a bubble wrap envelope(actually one that FTDNA had sent me for return mail), put a label on it and sent as a letter. I did enclose the Full genomes customs form for the US customs but that was inside the envelope. I sent airmail letter rate with no tracking as it was $25 more for tracking and I've never had any worry sending to FTDNA that way. My problem was there is a new form for customs in Australia. Is used to just write "genealogical data" on the test..and this form allowed for NO writing. It was either animal/palnt..and this was not allowed to be posted. Biological material like blood (and this was Not allowed to be posted), documents, commercial samples (and this required business documentation), or a gift? As I had a few forms in it, I picked documents. Then the post office lady who was not the same friendly helpful person who used to be there, said you don't need a customs declaration for documents. So how do others get their samples into the US and past customs? What do they put on the label? ThanKs. I have sent about 8 samples before but that was 2016. The forms changed in Aug 2018. Looking later on the web on Australia post site, I also think I was given a CN23 instead of a CN22.. Totally confused here. It's $25 extra for tracking and that would probably alert customs but I guess I'll try that next time? feedback appreciated here. I'm really looking forward to comparing the results with you Dibran..just as to how the R1a migration paths went.
    Last edited by Jan_Noack; 02-17-2019 at 06:46 AM.

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