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    Dutch Longobard? About Scandic and/or Baltic-Slavic influences.....

    Based on the W-Euroasian coordinates member Huijbregts made some fine analyses() about my auDNA, this was the result:

    Germany_Medieval,86
    Avar_Hungary_Szolad,13
    Sweden_MN,1


    I'm of North Dutch descent. German Mediaval is in that sense no surprise. But the Avar Szolad?

    Member Tomenable made an analysis and the Avar-Szolad are to be qualified as a kind of Balto-Slavic.

    Based on G25 nMonte webrunner, this is absent among Dutch and generally in West-Europe, not even among the early Anglo-Saxons:


    We only see a trace among the Norwegians only along the Swedish we get a pretty amount of Avar-Szolad.

    The Swedish amount is no surprise see a very big amount of Avar-Szolad among Rise174 that's a Swedish migration time sample, almost 1/4!


    When I take my family and member Radboud, it's there in my family's samples and not in Radboud's sample:



    Is in my case the Balto-Slavic influence direct or recent or is this indirect, due to a Swedish influence?

    I have no known recent Balto-Slavic ancestors.....So I guess the biggest chance is that in the turmoil of the big population migration there was a Swedish (or East Danish) kind of influence.

    So in the in the end a kind of Longobard?
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    I already told you that you seem to have some Swedish ancestors when you got a big chunk of Corded Ware Baltic in some ancient run. It may be something from middle Ages...
    Longobards got Slavic in their way to Italy through Hungary. It has nothing to do with Dutch, I think.
     
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    NW Croatian 87.5%
    Slovenian 6.25%
    Unknown 6.25%
    E. Europe 35.7%
    Balkan 34.4%
    Scandinavia 21.2%
    Baltic 8.7%
    Grenzmark 0.94
    Czechs 0.93,
    Hungary 0.91
    Volhyn 0.91,
    C. Rusyns 0.91
    Slovenia 0.91
    Czech 1.79
    Hungarian 2.02
    Slovenian 2.07
    Croatian 2.39
    Ukrainian 3.01
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    I already told you that you seem to have some Swedish ancestors when you got a big chunk of Corded Ware Baltic in some ancient run. It may be something from middle Ages...
    Longobards got Slavic in their way to Italy through Hungary. It has nothing to do with Dutch, I think.
    I have plenty of Estonian (Baltic) Corded Ware. My known ancestry are as eastern European as it may be.


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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_HG 48.01
    2 Anatolian_NF 26.19
    3 Caucasus_HG 22.16
    4 Siberian 1.41
    5 Beringian 0.94
    6 South_African_HG 0.65
    7 Near_East 0.49
    8 Oceanian 0.16

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 4.88
    2 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 5
    3 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 5.35
    4 Potapovka_I0419 6.06
    5 Unetice_EBA_I0117 6.94
    6 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 7.41
    7 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 7.69
    8 Srubnaya_I0232 8.13
    9 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 8.69
    10 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 9.04
    11 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 9.27
    12 Srubnaya_I0430 9.82
    13 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 9.86
    14 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 10.83
    15 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 11.22
    16 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 11.47
    17 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 12.02
    18 Vatya_SG_RISE479 17.3
    19 Hungary_BA_I1502 18.46
    20 Scythian_IA_I0247 22.82

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    That was PuntDNAL K12 Ancient calculator output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    I have plenty of Estonian (Baltic) Corded Ware. My known ancestry are as eastern European as it may be.


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    All Slavs have.
     
    Paper Trail MyHeritage K36 G25 Mod. FTDNA
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    Slovenian 6.25%
    Unknown 6.25%
    E. Europe 35.7%
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    Scandinavia 21.2%
    Baltic 8.7%
    Grenzmark 0.94
    Czechs 0.93,
    Hungary 0.91
    Volhyn 0.91,
    C. Rusyns 0.91
    Slovenia 0.91
    Czech 1.79
    Hungarian 2.02
    Slovenian 2.07
    Croatian 2.39
    Ukrainian 3.01
    East Europe 99%
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    Slovenian 6.25%
    Unknown 6.25%
    E. Europe 35.7%
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    Scandinavia 21.2%
    Baltic 8.7%
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    Czechs 0.93,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    All Slavs have.
    Those are eastern Slavs and Poles? These Slavs account for around 80% of Slavdom. In that case all Slavs.

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    Numbers don't always matter. To English Slavic cultural impression may give Russians and Poles. To me - Slovenians and Croats. Not that I don't like cultures of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    I already told you that you seem to have some Swedish ancestors when you got a big chunk of Corded Ware Baltic in some ancient run. It may be something from middle Ages...
    Longobards got Slavic in their way to Italy through Hungary. It has nothing to do with Dutch, I think.
    I think that the connection is not in Corded Ware, because see the latest posting of Davidski, the Dutch version of Corded is Single Grave and is prior to the Dutch Beakers. When this was the connection Dutch average must have had Avar Szolad too.

    This is the Balto Slavic component that is present in the Swedes and may be the Baltic side of Denmark. I guess this has a connection with the Suebi, the Longobards were part of them, in any case tribes that were east of the Saxons....with a higher Balto- Slavic component. Like rise174.

    They came most probably during the migration to the North Dutch like lots of other Germanic tribes in that period. It’s something that occurred only in the NE part of the Netherlands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    A teaser for Finn: Batavian Veleti

    Too speculative.....Slavic influence was mostly unto the Elbe/ Hamburg area.

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