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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    Yes, and I agree with you: with papers up-to-date, that's the most probable scenario.

    The thing I was pointing was the fact that if R1a was absent, so it is the nail in the coffin of "only R1a = IE".
    There's R1a in Urnfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    Yes, and I agree with you: with papers up-to-date, that's the most probable scenario.

    The thing I was pointing was the fact that if R1a was absent, so it is the nail in the coffin of "only R1a = IE".
    I think the exclusive R1a narrative died with the massive amounts of R-Z2103 on the steppe.
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    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by manesh View Post
    How many Etruscan samples are there in this study you mention? What are the Y haplogroups of the Etruscans? Do you think (after sequencing more Etruscan samples from different sites) that an elite minority (core) of Etruscans could have non R1b haplogroups like T, with ancestry from Eastern Mediterranean regions? And the Italics are locals of the region and descendants of Central European and Northern Italian Bell Beakers? And the minority Early Iron Age Etruscans absorbed some of the Italic people? What do you think if in the Stanford paper (or in another future study on Etruscans) haplogroups like T are found among Iron Age Etruscans?
    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    Most of Etruscan samples are low-quality and R1b1a1b+. You should wait for the paper to get answer to these questions.
    Is it possible that you can at least answer these questions? How many Etruscan samples are there in this study you mention? What are the Y haplogroups of the Etruscans besides R1b? Thanks.

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    One really has to wonder - was the Italian Peninsula almost entirely G2a and I2a-M26 during the Copper Age?
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    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    100 pages of discussion and relevant ancient DNA paper is not yet published. Is it a record?

    Also, it seems that there are two papers: Moots's paper and another one? I am getting confused.


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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    One really has to wonder - was the Italian Peninsula almost entirely G2a and I2a-M26 during the Copper Age?
    Quote Originally Posted by manesh View Post
    Is it possible that you can at least answer these questions? How many Etruscan samples are there in this study you mention? What are the Y haplogroups of the Etruscans besides R1b? Thanks.
    Both very good questions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by manesh View Post
    Is it possible that you can at least answer these questions? How many Etruscan samples are there in this study you mention? What are the Y haplogroups of the Etruscans besides R1b? Thanks.
    Four. One of them is I1.

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    How many other non-Roman Italian samples are in the study?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    One really has to wonder - was the Italian Peninsula almost entirely G2a and I2a-M26 during the Copper Age?
    There was some R1b1b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    Four. One of them is I1.
    Wait you said there was a I1 Roman, there's an Etruscan too?

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