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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Yeah, that is one hell of a curveball. As of right now, I don't believe it, but when the paper comes out and we get some second-hand checking and it checks out as I1 that would be one hell of a result!

    Exciting stuff.
    It is, but I guess when you think of the origin of Etruscans, it might make sense. There seems to be a branch of I1 that is in the Balkans such as the poster above and it leaks down even into Albania. I'm not sure how closely related, if at all, it is to the traditional "Nordic", or "Germanic" branches in northern Germany, Scandinavia, or England. My distant cousin through my mother who used to post here and was avid in genetics is also an Italian I1, related on the paternal side, no less. I used to think the connection was through Normans or Germanic invasion, but this wildcard certainly throws a wrench into that theory.
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    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    Quote Originally Posted by manesh View Post
    Are these Etruscan samples from earlier than 600 BCE?
    Do you know if there is an ongoing study on a large sample set(from different places) of Etruscan individuals from the Early Iron Age?
    I don't know exact age of these samples. They are labeled as Iron Age. Yes, there is an ongoing study on a larger sample set.

    Quote Originally Posted by manesh View Post
    Do you think that the source of the "non R1b, and non I" related early Roman period individuals(from Central Italy, with haplogroups like T and G2a) could be from the Early Iron Age Etruscan conquerers(with ancestry of Aegean populations)? Could these early Roman period individuals from Central Italy be Etruscans which were assimilated into the Roman identity?
    This is totally possible. but we should wait for more samples.

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    Wasn't there trade between German lands and Italy in the 1st millennium BC? Possibly runes may have originated through such contact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    I don't know exact age of these samples. They are labeled as Iron Age. Yes, there is an ongoing study on a larger sample set.



    This is totally possible. but we should wait for more samples.
    Are all of the Italic samples made up of R1b and G2a types?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    It is, but I guess when you think of the origin of Etruscans, it might make sense. There seems to be a branch of I1 that is in the Balkans such as the poster above and it leaks down even into Albania. I'm not sure how closely related, if at all, it is to the traditional "Nordic", or "Germanic" branches in northern Germany, Scandinavia, or England. My distant cousin through my mother who used to post here and was avid in genetics is also an Italian I1, related on the paternal side, no less. I used to think the connection was through Normans or Germanic invasion, but this wildcard certainly throws a wrench into that theory.
    The I1 we find in Albanians is I1-M253, and has a tmrca of 4600 years. It is found in north and south albanians. These are the public results from the Alb bloodlines project:

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Are all of the Italic samples made up of R1b and G2a types?
    There are some J2b in Italics but those are most probably related to Illyrians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    There are some J2b in Italics but those are most probably related to Illyrians.
    Is there anything more specific regarding the branch, locations, dates?
    Last edited by Trojet; 08-25-2019 at 04:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojet View Post
    Is there anything more specific regarding the branches and locations?
    The same branch that is prevalent among Albanians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    The same branch that is prevalent among Albanians.
    So J2b-L283. That's awesome news, although not surprising to me. Thank you!
    Last edited by Trojet; 08-25-2019 at 05:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    The I1 we find in Albanians is I1-M253, and has a tmrca of 4600 years. It is found in north and south albanians. These are the public results from the Alb bloodlines project:

    Tree:

     


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    There's no Y6228 Albanians under the Z63 branch? Interesting that Z63 is mostly from northern region while Z58 and L22 in the south. Could be just a sample bias though.

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