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    Well, that PCA is exciting as hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    Well, that PCA is exciting as hell.
    Not really, but that's not the fault of the Greek ancestry either. You should ignore it too.

    Greek ancestry from where? lol Sparta? Alexandria (maybe-ish)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    OK, you're right. that was a mistake. they (i.e. Romans) had predominantly "Classical" Greek origin:
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    I am mildly colorblind, so I hate these PCAs with hundreds of markers of slightly varying color LOL...

    But if I'm reading this right, it almost looks like Etruscans' closest proxy is modern day Spaniards? Or in ancient terms, midway between Copper Age Spain and the Bell Beaker cluster? I guess that also implies they had less CHG/Iran_N admixture relative to Aegeans/Romans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelung View Post
    Not really, but that's not the fault of the Greek ancestry either. You should ignore it too.

    Greek ancestry from where? lol Sparta? Alexandria (maybe-ish)?
    The Greek claim doesn't excite me-- just the presence of so many samples. I wasn't expecting the Etruscans either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K33 View Post
    I am mildly colorblind, so I hate these PCAs with hundreds of markers of slightly varying color LOL...

    But if I'm reading this right, it almost looks like Etruscans' closest proxy is modern day Spaniards? Or in ancient terms, midway between Copper Age Spain and the Bell Beaker cluster? I guess that also implies they had less CHG/Iran_N admixture relative to Aegeans/Romans?
    What in this PCA is called etruscan IA in reality is probably a local umbrian sample that inhabited modern day tuscany and umbria. They are not proper "etruscan" in the historical sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by K33 View Post
    I am mildly colorblind, so I hate these PCAs with hundreds of markers of slightly varying color LOL...

    But if I'm reading this right, it almost looks like Etruscans' closest proxy is modern day Spaniards? Or in ancient terms, midway between Copper Age Spain and the Bell Beaker cluster? I guess that also implies they had less CHG/Iran_N admixture relative to Aegeans/Romans?
    Actually they seem to be midway between Sardinians and Bell Beakers. and yes they are close to Spaniards in "this" plot. but I think we need formal statistics to say that confidently.

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    Hm, that PCA looks very intriguing. Let's hope that full paper will be out soon, it's long overdue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    OK, you're right. that was a mistake. they (i.e. Romans) had predominantly "Classical" Greek origin:
    Attachment 30475
    are you allowed to mention something on the dates(eras) and provinience(sites/regions)? of the samples; even just broadly would be awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    are you allowed to mention something on the dates(eras) and provinience(sites/regions)? of the samples; even just broadly would be awesome
    Actually I don't have those information and I don't think I can obtain them until official publication. but I know there are some other "Late" Romans in the same study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelung View Post
    Not really, but that's not the fault of the Greek ancestry either. You should ignore it too.

    Greek ancestry from where? lol Sparta? Alexandria (maybe-ish)?
    You're probably on your own there, I'm pretty sure most people around here are finally glad to see a PCA with Roman samples, regardless of where they plot. I'm not going to ignore their plot location, it's probably very relevant, and it explains why some Collegno samples plotted with south Italians.
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