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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    My direct paternal line E-V12* is from Muro Lucano, Potenza, Italia.
    consider doing a Big Y? The more E samples analysed the better in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    consider doing a Big Y? The more E samples analysed the better in my opinion.
    Well I mean, I don't think I can go down any further than E-V12* and I don't have a single Ydna match farther down from 25 markers 1 step. My Haplogroup is pretty much non existent in Europe, and not many Egyptians have tested.
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    Flows of people in villages and large centres in Bronze Age Italy through strontium and oxygen isotopes
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0209693

    I know that isotope studies area little kludge, but for now it’s what we have. Looks like Early Bronze Age was still mobile while the Terremara males were not immigrants. Hope DNA gives more clarity to this.
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    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    When is the full Moots paper coming out?

    It's like waiting for the birth of an elephant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    Indeed, but the Gothic War devastated much of the Italian peninsula even before the Lombards took over. It could be that the Byzantines themselves used rural populations from nearby locations in Italy itself or from more Northern regions, less affected areas in Italy to populate Central Italy, and South Italy also received some of it, only when the Byzantines were left with the Southern parts from the 8th century onward, more Hellenic populations arrived to these locations, keeping them Hellenic-like genetically speaking.

    In anyway, the fact that there's a genetic continuity in North Italy plus North Italy-like samples were found in Central Italy at least until the IA migrations changed that, have to be accounted for. Any Germanic geneflow would surely affect North Italy, even more than Central Italy, and we wouldn't have such relative autosomal continuity in the North.
    Interesting that the very northern I1 haplogroup features predominantly in the Partecipanza cluster, which may coincide with Lombards and/or Goths...

    As shown by DAPC (Figure 2), I1-L22 haplotypes from PAR form a
    tight and coherent cluster, suggesting that they may share a common
    ancestor who lived around the period in which Partecipanza was
    founded. Further proof of this is the fact that such hg is at present
    found in four different surnames and in nine paternal pedigrees
    (Supplementary Table S2). Considering that, to the best of our
    present knowledge, Partecipanza is at least two or three centuries older
    than its own surnames, the fact that different surnames show similar
    Y-chromosomal haplotypes is most easily explained as a consequence
    of their genetic common ancestor. Another convergent line of
    reasoning is provided by our time estimates. Despite the fact that
    Y-STR-based estimates are a controversial issue, in this study, we were
    able to overcome at least some of the most important criticisms
    brought to such methods. First, our results strongly suggest that PAR
    I1-L22 haplotypes are not the result of historical (or geographical)
    stratification; on the contrary, they are tightly related and seem to
    mark a single historic event. As a second, important point, we were
    able to estimate reliable values for parameters such as STR mutation
    rates and generation duration time directly from our data. Despite
    relatively wide CIs (Table 3), our estimates confirm with what is
    currently known about the historic origins of Partecipanza, pointing
    at a period comprised between 1300 and 600 years ago. Interestingly,
    the upper bound coincides with the Migration Period, and in
    particular with the settling of Ostrogoths and Lombards in Italy
    (493 AD and 568 AD, respectively). The lower bound might
    instead correspond to the devastating ‘Black Death’ epidemic of the
    fourteenth century (B1350 AD), a strong bottleneck that may have
    affected our population. It is worth noting that the geographic
    distribution of hg I1-L22 and its alleged place of origin are consistent
    with the alleged route followed by some German peoples—Lombards
    and Goths in particular—from the Baltic shores to Italy.
    Last edited by R.Rocca; 05-06-2019 at 11:17 PM.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Any news about the upcoming Ancient Rome study?

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    Leaked News:
    Romans had predominantly Hellenistic Greek origin and Etruscans were admixture of Italian Bell Beakers + Italian Mid Neolithic.
    Unfortunately I can't reveal my source because they are probably reading this forum, but I can assure you it's reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    Leaked News:
    Romans had predominantly Hellenistic Greek origin and Etruscans were admixture of Italian Bell Beakers + Italian Mid Neolithic.
    Unfortunately I can't reveal my source because they are probably reading this forum, but I can assure you it's reliable.
    If that is true then that is all quite interesting. Likely then we will see quite a bit of Y-DNA J2a among the early Romans and R1b, G2a and maybe some I2a among Etruscans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolgeh View Post
    Leaked News:
    Romans had predominantly Hellenistic Greek origin and Etruscans were admixture of Italian Bell Beakers + Italian Mid Neolithic.
    Unfortunately I can't reveal my source because they are probably reading this forum, but I can assure you it's reliable.
    We've been told the same thing months ago by Ryukendo who attended a talk about the Italian study, at this stage it seems rather consensual I'd say.
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>BY36857. Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    If that is true then that is all quite interesting. Likely then we will see quite a bit of Y-DNA J2a among the early Romans and R1b, G2a and maybe some I2a among Etruscans.
    This could get really quite interesting. I've always been curious about the Etruscans, nice to see something that will be released soon that might expand on who they were.

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