Model for seeing if you have Longobards? G25

[firemonkey]

What is the best one?

[Finn]

What is the best one?

I don't think there is specific kind of model for this Firemonkey.

I guess it's Germanic with a North East European touch. The Longobards most probably started in Sweden, that's Germanic with a touch Northeastern.

[firemonkey]

I had my father's and mine chromosome by analysis done by someone whose name I won't mention as he's banned here.

He said of my father's results -

What is in Proto-Germanic cluster has very high North Dutch, but when you look at components there have very high North-Sea -40-50%, not seen among modern people. But it was encountered among Baiuvarii or Longobards if you remember my PCA with them.

[JerryS.]

i'd imagine anyone with German ethnicity would have this as they were a Germanic tribe and had a nice stay throughout central, western, and south central Europe.

[Theconqueror]

Even you model the Lombards roughly, they will likely crush every other signature of the era. The Lombards, statistically speaking, are very potent. For what its worth, this is how I model it:

Custom:AGUser_conqueror
Fit 2.0493
England Anglo-Saxon 0
England Roman 1
Germany Medieval 0
Germany Medieval ACD 0
Hungary Medieval Szolad 4
Italy Medieval Collegno 94
Sweden Viking Age 1

Beaker
Custom:AGUser_conqueror
Fit 2.0873
Beaker Bavaria 26
Beaker Britain 9
Beaker Czech 31
Beaker France South 9
Beaker Hungary 6
Beaker Italy North 1
Beaker Mittelelbe-Saale 11
Beaker Poland 7

Beaker K20
Custom:AGUser_conqueror
Fit 2.276
Beaker Central Germany K20 18
Beaker Czechia K20 40
Beaker Hungary K20 12
Beaker North Italy K20 6
Beaker Scotland K20 2
Beaker South England K20 3
Beaker South France K20 8
Beaker South Germany K20 11

[JMcB]

To be honest, I don’t really know if there’s a standard model because I think it’s going to depend on the individual.

Be that as it may, here are some of the models I tried.


First I ran this one.

Custom:AGUser_JMcB
Pen 0.001
1000/500
Filter 25%


Fit 1.3053

England Anglo-Saxon 4.2
England Roman 35
Hungary Medieval Szolad 27
Italy Medieval Collegno 31
Sweden Viking Age 2.8


Then it occurred to me that running both of the Lombards together, might be redundant and a form of over fitting. So I tried doing them separately.


Fit 1.4313

England Anglo-Saxon 12.2
England Roman 43.8
Hungary Medieval Szolad 41.4
Sweden Viking Age 2.6


Fit 1.3111

England Anglo-Saxon 4
England Roman 43.4
Italy Medieval Collegno 45.2
Sweden Viking Age 7.4


Then as an experiment, I tried running a model using my closest individual fits, from each population.


Fit 1.3456

England Anglo-Saxon--HS3-I0161, 11.6
England Roman--3DT16, 16.6
England Roman--6DT22, 11.8
Hungary Medieval Szolad--SZ38, 42.6
Italy Medieval Collegno--CL84, 9.6
Sweden Viking Age--Sigtuna Grt035, 9.6


Considering my ancestry and the samples available, this is the best I could come up with. How valid they are, that’s another question.

[firemonkey]

1 England_Anglo-Saxon +England_Roman +Hungary_Medieval_Szolad +Italy_Medieval_Collegno +Sweden_Viking_Age Custom:AGUser_firemonkey 1.4632 Open Map 23.2 17.2 16 41.8 1.8

1 England_Anglo-Saxon +England_Roman +Hungary_Medieval_Szolad +Sweden_Viking_Age Custom:AGUser_firemonkey 1.5816 Open Map 35.6 26.6 34.6 3.2



1 England_Anglo-Saxon +England_Roman +Italy_Medieval_Collegno +Sweden_Viking_Age Custom:AGUser_firemonkey 1.4702 Open Map 27 20 50.2 2.8

[Dewsloth]

Looking at the Global25 "checkfit" area, Dad seems to have some affinity towards the Longobard samples as a group, maybe due to his mix of various NWEuro populations.

Both Collegno and Szolad averages make his top 5:

1 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Belgian_Averaged Averaged 1.376
2 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad French_Averaged Averaged 1.383
3 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad French_East_Averaged Averaged 1.603
4 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Italy_Medieval_Collegno_Averaged Averaged 1.619
5 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Averaged Averaged 1.686

Also a lot of the individuals:

13 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ45 CE:505 2.328
44 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ23 CE:505 2.863
92 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ38 CE:505 3.167
143 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ18 CE:505 3.465
173 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ42 CE:505 3.584
177 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ5 CE:505 3.601
207 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ24 CE:505 3.761
220 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ27 3.815
225 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ14 CE:505 3.84
233 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ3 CE:505 3.869

_and_

40 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL47 CE:671 2.826
54 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL102 CE:671 2.923
63 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL63 CE:671 2.964
145 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL57 CE:671 3.466
149 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL87 CE:671 3.488
163 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL94 CE:671 3.545
213 Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL53 CE:671 3.785

Now the ones he's closest to seem to be "50/50" individuals who may have had one "Northern" parent and one who may have been picked up along the long trek south.
If I'd had to guess from paper and geography, I'd say our descent is likely Alemanni, Frank, Belgae, Gaul/Celt, Saxon/Angle and maybe Baiuvarii or Thuringii -- after 2000 years it could be all of the above.
More samples sure wouldn't hurt.

[Trelvern]

Distance 1.8964 (with Szolad) and 1.796 (Collegno in replacement )
default pen

1-England anglo saxon 20.83/20.83
2-England Roman 1.67/10.83
3-Szolad then Collegno 70/57.5
4-Sweden Viking Age 7.5/10.83

So what?

[Dewsloth]

FWIW:

England_Anglo-Saxon +England_Roman +Hungary_Medieval_Szolad +Sweden_Viking_Age Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad 1.0559 Open Map 6.67 15.83 74.17 3.33

England_Anglo-Saxon +England_Roman +Italy_Medieval_Collegno +Sweden_Viking_Age Custom:AGUser_Dewsloth_dad 0.8982 Open Map 9.17 14.17 75 1.67