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    Quote Originally Posted by sven.larson View Post
    So the question should be: "Who, among NW-Euro members, doesn't have Lombard affinity" Is there any such person? lol...

    All Germanics must be very similar back then.
    By the time of the lombards, any off shoot expanding from the heart of Europe would have had some level of Germanic affinity.
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
    K36: French East/German South/Swiss German 33%, French North East/Belgian/German West 31%, French North Central 21%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 9%, French South/ French Basque 6%
    K16: German 50%, French North West 19%, French North East 11%, Irish/English 11%, French South 9%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theconqueror View Post
    If I order by time era (details=time from BCE to CE) my correlated ancient (250 samples max) using nmonte runner check fit, I get:
     

    Group Name Details Fit
    Balkans_BA I2165 -2957 4.542
    Beaker_Hungary I3529 -2350 4.534
    Beaker_Czech I7210 -2350 4.535
    Beaker_Bavaria I5524 -2250 4.206
    Beaker_Bavaria I5529 -2250 4.258
    Beaker_Bavaria I6624 -2250 4.323
    Beaker_Bavaria I5520 -2250 4.453
    Beaker_Bavaria I6591 -2250 4.547
    Beaker_Bavaria I3590 -2237 4.172
    Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale I0113 -2189 3.696
    Beaker_Czech I4885 -2150 4.318
    Beaker_Czech I4891 -2150 4.436
    Beaker_Czech I4887 -2120 3.37
    Beaker_France_South I3874 -2117 3.502
    Beaker_Czech I4888 -2109 3.366
    Beaker_Italy_North I2478 -2065 4.589
    Czech_EBA I7196 -1950 4.521
    Hallstatt_Bylany DA111 -775 3.833
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ45 505 3.784
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ23 505 3.803
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ38 505 3.844
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ14 505 4.025
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ18 505 4.176
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL63 671 2.802
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL47 671 3.293
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL57 671 3.521
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL94 671 3.886
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL102 671 4.552


    It is somewhat informative, and in line with actual models.
    I like the chron sort! It really highlights the massive gap, time-wise, in samples that still exists:

    Dad's ancients results in chron:

    217 Beaker_Hungary I3529 BCE:2350 3.8
    230 Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale I0111 BCE:2339 3.857
    223 Beaker_Bavaria I5834 BCE:2250 3.835
    214 Beaker_Bavaria I6624 BCE:2250 3.787
    202 Beaker_Poland I6581 BCE:2250 3.741
    185 Beaker_Bavaria I5520 BCE:2250 3.652
    159 Beaker_Bavaria I6590 BCE:2250 3.521
    85 Beaker_Czech I7275 BCE:2250 3.115
    34 Beaker_Bavaria I6591 BCE:2250 2.751
    21 Beaker_Bavaria I5529 BCE:2250 2.635
    193 Beaker_Bavaria I3588 BCE:2225 3.702
    198 Beaker_Czech I4946 BCE:2221 3.728
    107 Beaker_Czech I4896 BCE:2215 3.246
    180 Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale I0113 BCE:2189 3.609
    238 Beaker_Czech I4891 BCE:2150 3.906
    205 Beaker_Czech I4945 BCE:2150 3.757
    150 Beaker_Czech I4889 BCE:2150 3.493
    139 Beaker_Czech I4885 BCE:2150 3.412
    189 Beaker_Czech I4886 BCE:2123 3.666
    104 Beaker_Czech I4887 BCE:2120 3.243
    164 Beaker_France_South I3874 BCE:2117 3.548
    141 Beaker_Czech I4888 BCE:2109 3.424
    [crickets chirping]
    178 Poprad_Medieval DA119 CE:387 3.602 [this guy was described as a U106 "elite germanic burial" and Lukasz once posited that he may have been a Vandal]
    196 Germany_Medieval_ACD STR_220 CE:495 3.716
    13 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ45 CE:505 2.328
    44 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ23 CE:505 2.863
    92 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ38 CE:505 3.167
    143 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ18 CE:505 3.465
    173 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ42 CE:505 3.584
    177 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ5 CE:505 3.601
    207 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ24 CE:505 3.761
    225 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ14 CE:505 3.84
    233 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ3 CE:505 3.869
    40 Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL47 CE:671 2.826
    54 Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL102 CE:671 2.923
    63 Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL63 CE:671 2.964
    145 Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL57 CE:671 3.466
    149 Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL87 CE:671 3.488
    163 Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL94 CE:671 3.545
    213 Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL53 CE:671 3.785
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    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Mine are:

    SZ38 @ 2.371
    CL84 @ 2.614
    SZ42 @ 2.906
    CL83 @ 2.981
    SZ23 @ 3.139
    SZ 7 @ 3.295
    CL87 @ 3.295

    After the first two, they start getting pretty far down my list.
    and mine


    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 2.575784
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 2.936016
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 3.308184
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 3.468070
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 3.674985
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL63 3.765020
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ24 3.767684
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL87 3.820593




    and check fits for the top 5


    SZ38


    Input Group Name Details Fit
    1 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 English_Cornwall_Averaged Averaged 2.19
    2 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 German German78 2.255
    3 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 German German29 2.28
    4 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 Custom AGUser_Randwulf_wife 2.284
    5 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 German_Averaged Averaged 2.313
    6 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 English_Averaged Averaged 2.345
    7 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 Custom AGUser_JMcB 2.371
    8 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 Italy_Medieval_Collegno_Averaged Averaged 2.374
    9 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 Belgian_Averaged Averaged 2.412
    10 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 English_Cornwall HG00235 2.435



    SZ23


    Input Group Name Details Fit
    1 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Averaged Averaged 1.971
    2 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 Belgian_Averaged Averaged 2.296
    3 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 English HG01790 2.322
    4 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 German_Averaged Averaged 2.337
    5 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 Custom AGUser_Randwulf_wife 2.45
    6 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 French_East_Averaged Averaged 2.549
    7 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ5 CE:505 2.619
    8 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 Italy_Medieval_Collegno_Averaged Averaged 2.67
    9 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 French_East French24437 2.687
    10 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 French French41 2.712



    SZ14


    Input Group Name Details Fit
    1 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 English_Cornwall HG00232 2.981
    2 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 Scottish Scottish23 2.982
    3 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 Italy_Medieval_Collegno_Averaged Averaged 3.143
    4 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 Beaker_Czech I4888 BCE:2109 3.146
    5 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 English_Cornwall HG00239 3.162
    6 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 Scottish Scottish24 3.176
    7 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 England_Roman_Averaged Averaged 3.202
    8 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 Custom AGUser_Randwulf_wife 3.21
    9 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 English_Cornwall_Averaged Averaged 3.213
    10 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 Belgian_Averaged Averaged 3.236



    SZ42

    Input Group Name Details Fit
    1 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 German_Averaged Averaged 2.082
    2 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 Custom AGUser_Capitalis 2.418
    3 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_Averaged Averaged 2.44
    4 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ11 CE:505 2.476
    5 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 English_Averaged Averaged 2.556
    6 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 Scottish Scottish5 2.573
    7 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 English HG01790 2.587
    8 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 Dutch_Averaged Averaged 2.595
    9 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 Irish Irish55 2.614
    10 Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 England_Roman_Averaged Averaged 2.614




    CL84


    Input Group Name Details Fit
    1 Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 English_Cornwall HG00160 1.952
    2 Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 English_Averaged Averaged 1.973
    3 Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 English English5 2.039
    4 Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 Scottish_Averaged Averaged 2.116
    5 Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 English_Cornwall_Averaged Averaged 2.118
    6 Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 Orcadian_Averaged Averaged 2.157
    7 Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 English_Cornwall HG00255 2.177
    8 Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 Welsh WAL001 2.191
    9 Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 England_Anglo-Saxon_Averaged Averaged 2.219
    10 Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 Dutch_Averaged Averaged 2.241
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    From my top 250

    Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL84 2.445
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL83 2.69
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL146 2.723
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ4 2.748
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL92 2.964
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ16 2.997
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ38 3.191
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ7 3.204
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno CL151 3.212
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad SZ12 3.42
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    Originally Posted by Trelvern:

    and mine


    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38 2.575784
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23 2.936016
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14 3.308184
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42 3.468070
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84 3.674985
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL63 3.765020
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ24 3.767684
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL87 3.820593

    I see you’re also close to our little girl.

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    Last edited by JMcB; 02-13-2019 at 07:21 PM.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 930 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 1075 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1660 AD).

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    My 'Longobard golden oldies' (till distance 3.0)

    England_Anglo-Saxon_Averaged
    Averaged
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    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad
    SZ7
    CE:505
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    England_Anglo-Saxon
    HS2-I0159
    2.392

    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad
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    2.647

    England_Anglo-Saxon
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    2.665

    Italy_Medieval_Collegno
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    CE:671
    2.679

    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad
    SZ11
    CE:505
    2.695

    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad
    SZ13
    CE:505
    2.702

    England_Anglo-Saxon
    NO3423
    CE:780
    2.704

    Italy_Medieval_Collegno
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    CE:671
    2.723

    England_Anglo-Saxon
    HS3-I0161
    2.839

    England_Anglo-Saxon
    O3-I0774
    2.851

    England_Anglo-Saxon
    O1-I0769
    2.861

    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad
    SZ9
    CE:505
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    Germany_Medieval_Averaged
    Averaged
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    How do you guys get top 250 check fits? Can someone check the distances (Longobards & German Medieval samples) for me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radboud View Post
    How do you guys get top 250 check fits? Can someone check the distances (Longobards & German Medieval samples) for me?
    Hello Radboud,

    If you use Poi’s Runner you can get them by doing a Fit check, which is in the upper right hand corner of the page. Then just set the totals to 250. If you’re not, then maybe someone who runs the program on a computer will do it for you.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 930 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 1075 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1660 AD).

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