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    Q haplogroup in Spain

    Hi, this is my first message to the group.

    Well, I am one of the Spaniards in the group who are Q. My paternal grandparents are all from the south of Spain, from Andalucia (Seville). I have neither Jewish ancestors nor less Native Americans.

    I uploada my raw dat to Y-Full, and I am isolated in a new clade (Q-BY106206) or Q-BY61803 in FTDNA. My lineage comes from 700 years ago. There is another person in FTDNA with whom I share the same mutations, lives in USA and the acenstors came from Spain or Portugal.

    On the other hand my last name (Soldan) is quite rare in Spain, barely 300 people and the main concentration is in Andalucia. You can find this surname in Romania, Moldavia, Germany, Poland and other places in Central Europa I have always believed that my ancestors came from central Europe and emigrated to Spain although I have never been able to prove this.

    Haplogroup Q, as you know is extremely rare in Spain, some presence in the south of Portugal, I think; but nothing more.

    Any idea of my origin?
    Greetings and forgive for my bad English.
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    Hola!

    It's quite remarkable, my yDNA is also pretty rare although my origins are in the northwest of the peninsula. Besides the American, do you have any more matches?
    As for the family name, has its been in your paternal family for a long time? Surnames can be quite random, from personal experience.

    Finally, I'd ask around if anyone has seen an ancient sample with your subclade, or one ancestral to it. In my case it's from a Scythian form NE Kazakhstan, maybe yours has an Eastern origin aswell.
    YDNA E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y134104>Y168273>FT17866 (TMRCA ~1000AD) - Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
    mtDNA H20 - Monica Vieira, b. circa 1700 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

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    Thanks for your answer

    I only know the American of Spanish or Portuguese origin with the same mutations. No more matches ....

    As for the last name, I could reach my great-grandparents, all from Ecija (Seville).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Hola!

    It's quite remarkable, my yDNA is also pretty rare although my origins are in the northwest of the peninsula. Besides the American, do you have any more matches?
    As for the family name, has its been in your paternal family for a long time? Surnames can be quite random, from personal experience.

    Finally, I'd ask around if anyone has seen an ancient sample with your subclade, or one ancestral to it. In my case it's from a Scythian form NE Kazakhstan, maybe yours has an Eastern origin aswell.

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    Some clades of Q are so rare and widely distributed that its impossible to find a place of origin for the clade, unless offcourse some ancient pops up somewhere.
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    You know, Eupedia's page on Q says that the haplogroup Q found in Sicily is of Phoenician origin; why not Spain, too? Phoenicians were active in southern Spain, and their Carthaginian cousins, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyP37 View Post
    You know, Eupedia's page on Q says that the haplogroup Q found in Sicily is of Phoenician origin; why not Spain, too? Phoenicians were active in southern Spain, and their Carthaginian cousins, as well.
    My guess is in both Sicily and Spain it is of Phoenician origin, or Punic at least.

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    His Q subclade appears to be more Central Asian than Levantine. I’d guess our new friend most likely inherited it either from some Hunish or Scytho-Alanic ancestor rather than from a Phoenician one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power77 View Post
    His Q subclade appears to be more Central Asian than Levantine. I’d guess our new friend most likely inherited it either from some Hunish or Scytho-Alanic ancestor rather than from a Phoenician one.
    Correct. Wild continental distributions like that point to great mobility from the use of fast horses.

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    Considering the distribution and TMRCA estimates of the branches immediately upstream, I'd say an arrival of this lineage in the Iberian peninsula with the Alans is the most convincing scenario.
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    Two more examples:

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP413/

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1455/

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