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    One time in a grocery store, an announcement came over the loudspeaker asking whether anyone in the store could speak Hungarian. My father--who speaks only English, Polish, Spanish, and Ukrainian fluently--nevertheless went to the customer service desk in the hope that he might help. Sure enough, the foreign-speaking customer was actually Czech. According to his own account, my father--merely by speaking Polish with a Czech accent--was able to act as interpreter.

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    Two most influential Slavic languages are Russian and Polish. I won't go into details why this is so. Historically these two Slavic languages. I can say with certainty about phonetics of Polish. Polish is not as any other Slavic languages.
    Is Polish more similar to Czech or Slovak, or Sorbian in Lusatia? Impossible to say. Polish is the only remaining Leichitic, western Slavic language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    Polish is not as any other Slavic languages.
    Polish is the only major modern Slavic language that retains the Common Slavic nasal vowels ę and ą (Old Church Slavonic ѧ and ѫ).
    Last edited by lgmayka; 02-14-2019 at 11:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    Polish is the only major modern Slavic language that retains the Common Slavic nasal vowels ę and ą (Old Church Slavonic ѧ and ѫ).
    My wife is Polish from Belarus (Grodno oblast, Shchuchinsk region to be precise). My daughter is half Pole. My wife teaches our daugter Polish. Polish nasal sounds are beyond me.

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    Novgorodian dialect is different from Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, all other Slavic languages. Some respectful linguists decided to name it as 4th separate Slavic language.
    I can understand Polish, Bulgarian, 'old Russian' written in manuscripts in Kiev. But I can _not_ understand_ the language Novgorodians used on birch-barks. It's definitely Slavic. But without help of a professional linguist one won't understand their language.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Novgorod_dialect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    Novgorodian dialect is different from Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, all other Slavic languages. Some respectful linguists decided to name it as 4th separate Slavic language.
    I can understand Polish, Bulgarian, 'old Russian' written in manuscripts in Kiev. But I can _not_ understand_ the language Novgorodians used on birch-barks. It's definitely Slavic. But without help of a professional linguist one won't understand their language.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Novgorod_dialect
    Do Northwest Russians have R1a clades closer to Poles or other West Slavs than to other East Slavs?. I read somewhere that Novgorodian had some similarities with old Polish. But i don't remember the exact source anymore. Or were Novgorodian/Northwest Russian dialects so distinct because of Baltic influences?
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    One survey found that out of 114 men in "Arkhangelsk region (upper Pinega river, Karpogory district)", 31.6% tested positive for M458 (and 14% belonged to R1b-M269).

    Out of 121 men in the "Vologda region", 24.0% tested M458+.

    See Table K in S1 File in this published paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgmayka View Post
    One survey found that out of 114 men in "Arkhangelsk region (upper Pinega river, Karpogory district)", 31.6% tested positive for M458 (and 14% belonged to R1b-M269).[/URL].
    There is a lot of variability between particular locations in Northern Russia. For example, it should be noted that this paper includes three different "East Slavic" samples from the Arkhangelsk region, an only one ("upper Pinega river") shows such an elevated level of M458 and M269. The two remaining samples, from Mezen River(n=54) and Krasnoborsk & Lensk districts (n=91), show only 3.7% and 7.7% for M458, plus 0% and 6,7% for R1b-M269, respectively, while showing higher frequencies of the remaining branches of R1a (40.7% and 12.1% vs 7.9% at the upper Pinega). All this suggests that what we see in a population at the upper Pinega river is not characteristic for all Northern Russians of Slavic origin and thus seems to be a result of a local founder effect.

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