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Thread: Flemish Belgian girl does different ancestry platforms, gets wildly different results

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    Flemish Belgian girl does different ancestry platforms, gets wildly different results



    The 92% British Isles from FTDNA is inexcusable given her background. MyHeritage also misses the mark.

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    looks pretty normal for someone from Belgium,

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    FTDNA has a pattern of splitting western or central Europe into EE and British Isles. It did that with mine and my sister's western German and Swedish.

    All the big companies have a really hard time separating NW Europe -- Ancestry somewhat acknowledged that with the England and NW Europe category.

    I think 23andMe is good and my test looks really accurate, but my Ancestry upload puts my French/German at about 9% more than my actual 23andMe test, while my British Isles results are about 5% less, and my Swedish 3% less. I think the actual 23andMe is more accurate (at least based on my paper trail), but shows it's hard to separate these.

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    Belgian is just not very different from Southern England. This is why Ancestry's Britain category overlaps with the north coast of France and with the Low Countries.

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    Has anyone else got the second beta estimate that she has?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianz91 View Post


    The 92% British Isles from FTDNA is inexcusable given her background. MyHeritage also misses the mark.
    Eh, it really shouldn't be a surprise that someone from the Low Countries gets a high percentage of Isles, given the proximity of the two areas and the shared histories (Celts, Germanics, Romans, Flemish migrations to the Isles, etc). I really think these DNA testing companies need disclaimers and proper explanations of what their ethnicity estimates are and are not.
    Y-DNA: I-A14097(Scotland),
    Big Y: I-F2642>Y1966>Y3649>A13241>Y3647>A14097 (1,850 YBP)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
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    R-M222 x2, R-L21 x2, I-M223, R-S1141, R-U198 & R-U106, mtHg J1c3
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    Paternal: Britain & Ireland, France and Germany
    Maternal: Netherlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianz91 View Post


    The 92% British Isles from FTDNA is inexcusable given her background. MyHeritage also misses the mark.

    Unless this young woman has previously given a more detailed accounting of where her ancestors were actually from, it’a hard to come to any conclusionss. Were all her ancestors from Belgian, going back to her second and third Great Grandparents? Or were they a mix of different nationalities, coming into her line at varying times. It’s not like Belgian is some where off in a corner. It’s in close proximity to a host of other countries and just a stone’s throw across the Channel from England. More data, please.
    Last edited by JMcB; 02-20-2019 at 01:04 PM.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 930 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 1075 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1660 AD).

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    The Low Countries or BeNeLux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg) have Scandic, English and French pulls....of course in the Southern parts more French in the Northern parts more Scandic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Unless this young woman has previously given a more detailed accounting of where her ancestors were actually from, it’a hard to come to any conclusionss. Were all her ancestors from Belgian, going back to her second and third Great Grandparents? Or were they a mix of different nationalities, coming into her line at varying times. It’s not like Belgian is some where off in a corner. It’s in close proximity to a host of other countries and just a stone’s throw across the Channel from England. More data, please.
    She is Flemish, from the dutch speaking side of Belgium. Her ancestry is pretty clear cut, Europeans don't have the identity issues with ancestry like New Worlders do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angriff View Post
    Belgian is just not very different from Southern England. This is why Ancestry's Britain category overlaps with the north coast of France and with the Low Countries.
    Meanwhile LivingDNA thinks all of Dad's German and Belgian is Southern England...
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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