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    Oh, okay, it's an archaeological sample. How did you get the Gedmatch kit number for it?
    Last edited by RobinBMc; 02-17-2019 at 08:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinBMc View Post
    Oh, okay, it's an archaeological sample. How did you get the Gedmatch kit number for it?
    Tomenable uploaded the sample to Gedmatch... This bit from his first post: "I uploaded him on GEDmatch thinking it was a Native sample, but the results are European.

    Then I checked in Supplementary Figures and the population label is "Colonist", so correct.

    Shohola Creek, Indian Cabin Ridge, Pennsylvania, dating 269 26 years ago

    Y-DNA haplogroup - I1a-Z73
    mtDNA haplogroup - U4c1a

    GEDmatch kit number - DD7536671"
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely German) - Sergeant in US 17th Infantry, War of 1812: R1b-U106-Z381-Z156-Z305/306/307-Z304-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    His Amerindian percentages in K36 by chromosome:

    Chr1 - 1.5%
    Chr2 - 0%
    Chr3 - 2.3%
    Chr4 - 4.4%
    Chr5 - 1.2%
    Chr6 - 3.9%
    Chr7 - 0%
    Chr8 - 3.8%
    Chr9 - 0%
    Chr10 - 0%
    Chr11 - 0%
    Chr12 - 3.2%
    Chr13 - 0%
    Chr14 - 0%
    Chr15 - 0%
    Chr16 - 0%
    Chr17 - 10.2%
    Chr18 - 0%
    Chr19 - 0%
    Chr20 - 0%
    Chr21 - 0%
    Chr22 - 1.0%

    ^ That is a lot of Amerindian on 17th chromosome!
    If it’s that low that early, it probably isn’t from a full-blooded great grandparent. Do you think it could be Greenlander or pre-New Sweden visit by north europeans?
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    It looks like the SNP coverage with the Gedmatch calculators isn't too great. The best looking possible Amerindian admixed sub-segments seem to be in these locations:

    CHR 1 40-50
    CHR 1 200-210
    CHR 2 60-70
    CHR 2 155-165
    CHR 4 1-12 (this one looks really good)
    CHR 4 55-65
    CHR 6 1-10 (this looks good, too)
    CHR 8 8-12
    CHR 14 35-45
    CHR 17 at the beginning (not too big, but maybe is the source of the high percentage on 17, or maybe the very low level but long stuff from about 15-45)
    CHR 21 at the beginning
    CHR 22 at the beginning

    It may be interesting to run targeted admixture tests in those areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    As a point of comparison I have

    Chr 4 - 14.7%
    5 - 5.2%
    10 - 2%
    11 - 2.2%
    12 - 1.1%
    16 - 0.8%
    17 - 6.3%
    18 - 0.4%
    19 - 8.1%
    21 - 3.2%

    I'm only around 2% on my paper trail and commercial tests consistently assign me between 1.5-2.5% indicating 2% is indeed correct. This individual appears to have less than I do
    And he's from early 1700s, the number of generations needed for him to score such a low amount would possibly be before Europeans actually got to that place. I'm skeptical of the result to begin with. This is why I don't put too much trust into small percentages in these calculators
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox79 View Post
    Tomenable uploaded the sample to Gedmatch... This bit from his first post: "I uploaded him on GEDmatch thinking it was a Native sample, but the results are European.

    Then I checked in Supplementary Figures and the population label is "Colonist", so correct.

    Shohola Creek, Indian Cabin Ridge, Pennsylvania, dating 269 26 years ago

    Y-DNA haplogroup - I1a-Z73
    mtDNA haplogroup - U4c1a

    GEDmatch kit number - DD7536671"
    I guess I should be asking where he got the sample to upload then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox79 View Post
    If you google Shohola Creek, Indian Cabin Ridge, Pennsylvania DNA it will bring up the paper - he is sample US-14 - but not much more on him, but I only scanned over the paper using the search function for that particular sample...

    Pennsylvania was still frontier country in the early 1700s - and some settlers pushed the boundaries - maybe this was one of those? I have a Weaver family turning up in my Ancestry DNA cousin family trees - they were from Germany and one of them was a first pioneer along with two other men in a place in Ohio - they were described as "men of true grit!" If they show up in my father's Weaver cousin's matches - I will try to find a male descend to test as I am a Weaver from PA and my family has been here since the early to mid 1700s based on what I can per records...
    Not a lot of attention has been paid to New Sweden by reputable (which is to say, employed at universities) historians who wrote and published for English speakers. But in my callow youth I was one of the disreputable few who did so, mostly between 1976-1989. I wrote and published about things that piqued my curiosity; and I had some leftover notes on other such things, that I never got around to publishing. One was a list of, I believe, 31 persons of Swedish and/or Finnish ancestry who engaged in the Indian trade, and (one might say "therefore") lived and worked on, or a little beyond, the edge of the "civilized" world before the end of the 18th century. This frontier moved inland (beyond the "fall line") with time, and so did these traders. So the basic list in the 1630s was short, and the range pretty constricted; but by the 1740 era of this aDNA sample US14, Shohola Creek was the close-in suburbs, for those guys. Most of them were settled with native wives, and in some cases had been for three or four generations. This would be equally likely in the Susquehanna or Allegheny valleys, western Maryland, Ohio, Indiana, (West) Virginia, North Carolina, and so on. The expanding frontier was wherever the Indian trade became a thing; and some (originally New Sweden) families continued in that business long after 1740. Of course they were becoming less Nordic all the time, but the surnames are easy enough to trace. The admixture is a lot more complex.

    One Swedish writer who addressed this phenomenon with considerable imagination, and a little documentary support, was the historical novelist Helmer Linderholm. Most of his work was published only in Swedish, but at least one made it into print in English. I found a little review at this site: http://archive.worldhistoria.com/nov...opic27252.html

    Another is "Land of the Beautiful River" by Helmer Linderholm (English ed 1963) who tells the story of New Sweden and the interactions between Europeans and the native Lenape and Susquehannock peoples. We get to follow a young finnish man (many of the settlers of New Sweden were finns) and his Susquehannock wife also after New Sweden become first dutch (1655) and then British.
    In the book the tragic fate of the Susquhannocks (they were more or less viped out) unfolds before our eyes.
    I corresponded briefly with Mr. Linderholm, and have that book (in both languages) somewhere in the midden of my garage, that contains stuff I haven't worked on since the 1990s. But it's hard to find, often involving the lifting of boxes full of paper. At my age, that takes a toll. So I avoid it.

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    I tried to run myself against Gedmatch kit DD7536671, but I got an error message saying kit DD7536671 not found.

    What gives?
     


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    Were you logged in on the Genesis version of GEDmatch? Anything newly-uploaded will only show up there, and even though it's the same username-password combination as the "legacy" version, it's a separate login.

    (I was able to run a comparison of my results against that kit; unsurprisingly, I share no ancestry with that person.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by swid View Post
    Were you logged in on the Genesis version of GEDmatch? Anything newly-uploaded will only show up there, and even though it's the same username-password combination as the "legacy" version, it's a separate login.

    (I was able to run a comparison of my results against that kit; unsurprisingly, I share no ancestry with that person.)
    I was on the old version.

    I went to Gedmatch Genesis and ran the comparison: "No shared DNA segments found".
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    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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