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    Thought I'd add this link to the conversation.

    https://www.shohola.com/township/

    [Shohola was a major crossing point on the Delaware River for thousands of years. The Quiwomink (Wyoming) Valley trail crossed the Hudson River near Newburgh, the Delaware River at Shohola and the Susquehanna River at Wilkes-Barre.]

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    You can find Indian Cabin Ridge on this map (bottom left, just Southeast of exit 34 of Interstate 84)

    https://www.pikepa.org/Planning/Maps/SGL%20180.pdf

    The description of the Quiwomink (Wyoming) Valley trail in the article above shows that follows the same route as today's I84. I wouldn't be surprised if the trail ran across Indian Cabin Ridge.

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    One more link. (Sorry, but I find this interesting.)

    https://journals.psu.edu/pmhb/articl...ad/31035/30790

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    I still think it's a bit strange that no one shares ANY CM on their segments with this kit - while when I ran the Northern Norwegian Hunter and got a lot of between 1-3 cm bits - which I know just means a) we are both human and b) we both have Northern European ancestry - but why no very small matches with this guy from early PA? It's a bit strange - was this guy from a completely different pop than the ones that settled PA a bit after he was there (I am looking at the dating - early 1700s) as I have documented paper trails (and DNA matches via both FTDNA and Ancestry) to old Mennonite and German families many who came in the early to mid 1700s etc in my ancestry...

    You figure if we (and others who run against him) are both mostly Northern European there should at least be a number of smaller cm segments (less than 6-7cm) that match...?

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    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4?) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox79 View Post
    I still think it's a bit strange that no one shares ANY CM on their segments with this kit - while when I ran the Northern Norwegian Hunter and got a lot of between 1-3 cm bits - which I know just means a) we are both human and b) we both have Northern European ancestry - but why no very small matches with this guy from early PA? It's a bit strange - was this guy from a completely different pop than the ones that settled PA a bit after he was there (I am looking at the dating - early 1700s) as I have documented paper trails (and DNA matches via both FTDNA and Ancestry) to old Mennonite and German families many who came in the early to mid 1700s etc in my ancestry...

    You figure if we (and others who run against him) are both mostly Northern European there should at least be a number of smaller cm segments (less than 6-7cm) that match...?

    Cheers!
    The SNP count is pretty low. So, you have to really lower the bar to find this kind of matching. When I use my kit and use 1 cM with 25 SNPs, I get a largest match of 4.3 cM with 485 cM total matches, which is 13.528% match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    The SNP count is pretty low. So, you have to really lower the bar to find this kind of matching. When I use my kit and use 1 cM with 25 SNPs, I get a largest match of 4.3 cM with 485 cM total matches, which is 13.528% match.
    At that level, Dad matches him like so:

    Largest segment = 4.0 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 454.4 cM (12.678 Pct)

    302 shared segments found for this comparison.

    152868 SNPs used for this comparison.

    Mind you we have "PA Dutch">Virginia>Kentucky>Indiana ancestors, but to my knowledge they are German and Swiss-German (and British).
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    The SNP count is pretty low. So, you have to really lower the bar to find this kind of matching. When I use my kit and use 1 cM with 25 SNPs, I get a largest match of 4.3 cM with 485 cM total matches, which is 13.528% match.
    Ahh ok that is more like it - not recently related - but still smaller segments showing up:

    Largest segment = 3.9 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 489.1 cM (13.641 Pct)

    331 shared segments found for this comparison.

    156179 SNPs used for this comparison.

    53.780 Pct SNPs are full identical
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely German) - Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-Z381-Z156-Z305/306/307-Z304-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4?) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    Using 1 cM with 25 SNPs
    This kit has Welsh/Somerset roots
    They settled circa 1850s in Lock Haven, PA

    Largest segment = 4.9 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 450.6 cM (12.578 Pct)

    299 shared segments found for this comparison.

    155116 SNPs used for this comparison.

    53.892 Pct SNPs are full identical
    390=21
    459a/b=9/9
    YCA II a/b=22/23
    557=15
    572=10
    DF23-, L1066-, L21+, M153-, M222-, M269+, M37-, M65-, P312+, P66-, SRY2627-, U106-, U152-, Z253-

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    Well, considering he’s I1a, I’ll give it a try.

    Using the above criteria, I get:

    Largest segment = 4.4 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 484.3 cM (13.509 Pct)

    321 shared segments found for this comparison.

    155389 SNPs used for this comparison.

    53.950 Pct SNPs are full identical
    Last edited by JMcB; 02-19-2019 at 08:11 PM.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 930 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 1075 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1660 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    And he's from early 1700s, the number of generations needed for him to score such a low amount would possibly be before Europeans actually got to that place. I'm skeptical of the result to begin with. This is why I don't put too much trust into small percentages in these calculators
    Yeah, 1% Amerindian is way too low for a colonist this early IMO. Also, the modern Norwegian population average in Eurogenes K15 is 0.72%. And I've seen unadmixed modern Scandinavians (not Americans) score 1.5%+ "Amerindian" on Eurogenes K15...

    Putting aside the question of pre-Columbian contact between Old & New Worlds, we do know that the westernmost major presence of ANE prior to the Bronze Age was the Mesolithic coastal Norwegians, who were surprisingly more EHG than WHG, they followed the coastal route counter-clockwise down the western edge of the Scandinavian Penninsula. I think the "Amerindian" component is just related to excess Ancient North Eurasian-related ancestry found in Scandinavians, which can't be linked to Corded Ware/Yamnaya.

    Hell, MA-1 itself scores 21.16% "Amerindian" on Eurogenes K15.

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