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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Orginal Proto-Balto-Slavs were indeed predominately R1a but Proto-Slavs were definetly very rich in I2a-din. Proto-Slavs already differed from Balts because they had a bigger Central Euro/East Germanic adstrate. Russia actually became more EEF/Central Euro-shifted by Slavicization.

    Actually Thessaloniki is geography closer to Pripyat/South Belarus than Archangelsk/Pinega is to it so i dont get your point about geography which is anyways not a valid argument here.

    I was talking about peripheral Russian populations which probably are not even representative for more than 5% of all ethnic Russians. You as Central/South Russian are very distant related to them and probably are even closer genetically to East Germans than to Pinega Russians. Just because you both belong to one ethnic group and have one passport you are not genetically identical.


    Show me one genetic fit or study which shows them as mainly turkic. If Ukrainians are clustering with Turks than the southern half of Russia is also clustering with Turks because much of southern Russia (Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh, Volgograd,..) is genetically Ukrainian-like.

    The Slavs migrated along the rivers. Look at the map. Blue color of the river flowing through the plains. Orange is the color of mountains. What do you think is the more natural way for the Slavs to the South to the mountains or to the North and East? Of course, it is more convenient to migrate along the rivers. On their way the Slavs met free closely related tribes of the Baltic-Slavs and assimilated them. The road through the mountains to the South of the Slavs lay through the territory of the Vlachs - tribes foreign to the Slavs. Came to Greece is not the Slavs, and Vlachs assimilated by Slavonic speakers. 2) do you understand what contrast admixture is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Orginal Proto-Balto-Slavs were indeed predominately R1a but Proto-Slavs were definetly very rich in I2a-din. Proto-Slavs already differed from Balts because they had a bigger Central Euro/East Germanic adstrate. Russia actually became more EEF/Central Euro-shifted by Slavicization.
    Are you sure about that? The Proto-Slavs are said to be from the Pripyat Marshes/Polesia and AFAIK East Germanic people didn't live there. Or is Polesia being the Slavic urheimat considered outdated now?

    Couldn't the Pre-IE population of Polesia have been genetically more CentralEuro-like (without being Germanic) causing Proto-Slavs (or Medieval Slavs) to become more EEF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Are you sure about that? The Proto-Slavs are said to be from the Pripyat Marshes/Polesia and AFAIK East Germanic people didn't live there. Or is Polesia being the Slavic urheimat considered outdated now?

    Couldn't the Pre-IE population of Polesia have been genetically more CentralEuro-like (without being Germanic) causing Proto-Slavs (or Medieval Slavs) to become more EEF?
    East Germanics lived in Poland, Ukraine and Moldava (Goths, Bastarnae,..). Proto-Slavic had unlike Baltic languages a lot of Early East Germanic loanwords (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-...manic_material). Slavs are basically South Balts with a East Germanic adstrate. This is of course not 100% accurate but Proto-Slavic ethnogenesis and innovations were accelerated by contacts with East Germanics

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post

    The Slavs migrated along the rivers. Look at the map. Blue color of the river flowing through the plains. Orange is the color of mountains. What do you think is the more natural way for the Slavs to the South to the mountains or to the North and East? Of course, it is more convenient to migrate along the rivers. On their way the Slavs met free closely related tribes of the Baltic-Slavs and assimilated them. The road through the mountains to the South of the Slavs lay through the territory of the Vlachs - tribes foreign to the Slavs. Came to Greece is not the Slavs, and Vlachs assimilated by Slavonic speakers. 2) do you understand what contrast admixture is?
    What is exactly your point? Slavs arrived later in Archangelsk as settlers than in Greece

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    East Germanics lived in Poland, Ukraine and Moldava (Goths, Bastarnae,..). Proto-Slavic had unlike Baltic languages a lot of Early East Germanic loanwords (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-...manic_material). Slavs are basically South Balts with a East Germanic adstrate. This is of course not 100% accurate but Proto-Slavic ethnogenesis and innovations were accelerated by contacts with East Germanics
    They are quite right with the Proto-Slavs but bastards are not pure Germans (slight Iranian interference, Sarmatian) I think protoslavs had also been in contact with Celts before
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    What is exactly your point? Slavs arrived later in Archangelsk as settlers than in Greece
    How does migration time affect the percentage of Slavic blood? 1) Slavs in the first Millennium migrated not on jets and trains, but on rivers. The river is life. It is almost impossible to get from Pripyat to Greece. The way is blocked by high mountains and warlike Turks and Wallachs. 2) Slavic migration to the East and West lies in the deepening of the Slavs in the forest, along the way the Slavs met no one except the fewness Balts and Finns. Migration to the South was different. The South is a densely populated region where the Slavs were strongly dissolved in other ethnic groups. Route in the mountains was difficult, the Slavs settled on the plains and gradually assimilated with the highlanders, who took the Slavic language and became Slavs. That is, in Greece were no longer Slavs, and non-Slavic speakers of the Slavic language

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    How does migration time affect the percentage of Slavic blood? 1) Slavs in the first Millennium migrated not on jets and trains, but on rivers. The river is life. It is almost impossible to get from Pripyat to Greece. The way is blocked by high mountains and warlike Turks and Wallachs. 2) Slavic migration to the East and West lies in the deepening of the Slavs in the forest, along the way the Slavs met no one except the fewness Balts and Finns. Migration to the South was different. The South is a densely populated region where the Slavs were strongly dissolved in other ethnic groups. Route in the mountains was difficult, the Slavs settled on the plains and gradually assimilated with the highlanders, who took the Slavic language and became Slavs. That is, in Greece were no longer Slavs, and non-Slavic speakers of the Slavic language
    at the Slavic migartion in the Balkans, there were no Turks, they were crowded with Avarian troops to the south as far as Thessaloniki, the Avarian People's Council had many Slavic people among themselves, it was a strong Slavic migration (6 centuries) to the South. The Slavic expansion to northern Russia came later in the 11th century
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    When the north of Russia was opened up by Novgorod principality, the indigenous population would be included in the case of the Uralic population (Fino-ugric), that is why the northern Russians are "small outliers" at the genetic cluster closer more to Finns and karelians
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