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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain View Post
    When the north of Russia was opened up by Novgorod principality, the indigenous population would be included in the case of the Uralic population (Fino-ugric), that is why the northern Russians are "small outliers" at the genetic cluster closer more to Finns and karelians
    Now many lovers of genetics are confused. Who are the northern Russians? Northern Russians are Russian people with special dialectical features. They have a special accent, which is distinguished by the pronunciation of the Slavic letter "o". Central Russians and southern Russians say “a” instead of “o”. For example, the northern Russian speaks "Moskva", the central and southern Russian speaks "Maskva". In the Middle Ages, a dialect with a sound [o] was in Novgorod and in Kargopol and in Arkhangelsk. But after the appearance of the literary language, such cities as Novgorod, Kargopol switched to Central Russian dialect. Therefore, it is formally Central Russian. There is no territorial division of the Russian people. The Russian people are divided only minor dialectic features.
    2) Russians who are close to the Finns are Pomors. Pomors is Russian subethnos. They live east of Arkhangelsk along rivers and the sea — Mezen, Pinega, and so on. There are 6 thousand of them. Russian people more than 120 million people.
    3) Pomors are northern Russians, but northern Russians are not Pomors. This is the mistake of people who do not understand Russian.

    This is PCA sample Kozlov, calculator K27 MDLP
    Where is the Russian Kargopol Karelians? Karelians are very far from Kargopol. Veps is a mixture of Finns and Slavs.


    Kargapol, along with all the Slavs, Pomors near the Veps, but far from the Karelians. Since the Vepsians are a mixture of Finns and Slavs, then the Pomors also mix the Finns and Slavs, so they are similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    Now many lovers of genetics are confused. Who are the northern Russians? Northern Russians are Russian people with special dialectical features. They have a special accent, which is distinguished by the pronunciation of the Slavic letter "o". Central Russians and southern Russians say “a” instead of “o”. For example, the northern Russian speaks "Moskva", the central and southern Russian speaks "Maskva". In the Middle Ages, a dialect with a sound [o] was in Novgorod and in Kargopol and in Arkhangelsk. But after the appearance of the literary language, such cities as Novgorod, Kargopol switched to Central Russian dialect. Therefore, it is formally Central Russian. There is no territorial division of the Russian people. The Russian people are divided only minor dialectic features.
    2) Russians who are close to the Finns are Pomors. Pomors is Russian subethnos. They live east of Arkhangelsk along rivers and the sea — Mezen, Pinega, and so on. There are 6 thousand of them. Russian people more than 120 million people.
    3) Pomors are northern Russians, but northern Russians are not Pomors. This is the mistake of people who do not understand Russian.

    This is PCA sample Kozlov, calculator K27 MDLP
    Where is the Russian Kargopol Karelians? Karelians are very far from Kargopol. Veps is a mixture of Finns and Slavs.


    Kargapol, along with all the Slavs, Pomors near the Veps, but far from the Karelians. Since the Vepsians are a mixture of Finns and Slavs, then the Pomors also mix the Finns and Slavs, so they are similar.
    They are divided by minor dialects because czarist and communist government very much standardized and centralized the language. Also there was so much internal migration in Russia that most Russians have ancestors from many distant regions of the country. In medieval Rus NW Russian dialects around Novgorod/Pskov very much differed from Russian dialects in the rest of the East Slavic world. Today North Russian dialects still somewhere differ from Standard Russian despite all the migration from the South during the last 200 years. Actually North Russian dialects are quite conservative and archaic Slavic dialects even if Slavic ancestry is lower there.
    Y-DNA: R1a> R-M417> R-Z645> R-Z93> R-Z94> R-Y3 (Sredny Stog culture)> R-L657> R-Y4(Andronovo)> R-Y6> R-Y5> R-Y920* (Pashtun)

    mtdna: H28 (Globular Amphora, Bronze Age Latvia) > H28a (Ruthenian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    They are divided by minor dialects because czarist and communist government very much standardized and centralized the language. Also there was so much internal migration in Russia that most Russians have ancestors from many distant regions of the country. In medieval Rus NW Russian dialects around Novgorod/Pskov very much differed from Russian dialects in the rest of the East Slavic world. Today North Russian dialects still somewhere differ from Standard Russian despite all the migration from the South during the last 200 years. Actually North Russian dialects are quite conservative and archaic Slavic dialects even if Slavic ancestry is lower there.
    Is the language situation in Germany or France different than in Russia? Did the capitalist government of these countries standardize their languages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    Now many lovers of genetics are confused. Who are the northern Russians? Northern Russians are Russian people with special dialectical features. They have a special accent, which is distinguished by the pronunciation of the Slavic letter "o". Central Russians and southern Russians say “a” instead of “o”. For example, the northern Russian speaks "Moskva", the central and southern Russian speaks "Maskva". In the Middle Ages, a dialect with a sound [o] was in Novgorod and in Kargopol and in Arkhangelsk. But after the appearance of the literary language, such cities as Novgorod, Kargopol switched to Central Russian dialect. Therefore, it is formally Central Russian. There is no territorial division of the Russian people. The Russian people are divided only minor dialectic features.
    2) Russians who are close to the Finns are Pomors. Pomors is Russian subethnos. They live east of Arkhangelsk along rivers and the sea — Mezen, Pinega, and so on. There are 6 thousand of them. Russian people more than 120 million people.
    3) Pomors are northern Russians, but northern Russians are not Pomors. This is the mistake of people who do not understand Russian.

    This is PCA sample Kozlov, calculator K27 MDLP
    Where is the Russian Kargopol Karelians? Karelians are very far from Kargopol. Veps is a mixture of Finns and Slavs.


    Kargapol, along with all the Slavs, Pomors near the Veps, but far from the Karelians. Since the Vepsians are a mixture of Finns and Slavs, then the Pomors also mix the Finns and Slavs, so they are similar.
    The Russian Old Believers

    The polymorphism of mtDNA was examined in populations of Old Believers (n = 104) and Russians from Novosibirsk oblast (n = 270). Most of the haplogroups identified belonged to West Eurasian lineages. The frequencies of these haplogroups constituted 96.6% in Russians from Novosibirsk and 93.2% in Old Believers from Tyumen oblast. The populations examined were characterized by a high mtDNA diversity level (h = 0.98) compared to other population samples of Russians from Russia. Among the West Eurasian haplogroups, the most common (a frequency of more than 10%) were haplogroups H, U, J, and T, the proportion of which constituted 77.9% in Old Believers and 83.1% in Russians from Novosibirsk. The Mongoloid admixture in Russians (3.3%) and Old Believers (6.7%) was represented by haplogroups A, D, Z, and C, D, M*, respectively. Statistically significant differences (P < 0.05) were revealed between the Old Believers examined and Bosnians, Czechs, Slovenes, and Russians from the cities of Nizhny Novgorod and Tula. The data obtained confirm the earlier hypothesized influence of the Finno-Ugric component on the East Slavic populations

    A other example please
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    Scytho-sarmatian.

    My FTDNA autosomal

    East Europe 82%
    Southeast Europe 14%
    Finland 2%
    West and Central Europe 1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain View Post
    The Russian Old Believers

    A other example please
    What's wrong with Finns? Why in southern Europe do not like Finns?The Finnish mixture is considered a black mark. I think it's jealousy. Everyone wants to have a lot of EHG, but not all of them have enough. The old believers of a religious sect - the pioneers of Siberia. Novosibirsk was settled from the center of Russia, 3% of Siberian mtDNA is the norm. Who mixes genetics with anthropology uses scientific studies on the genetics of anthropological terms - Mongoloid, he is a loser. Siberian, Indean components are not Mongoloid a priori.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michal3141 View Post
    I've created a simple K5 calculator based on G25 Scaled coordinates.
    The main goal of this calculator is to estimate ancestry proportions from major cultures in Europe 4000-5000 years ago: Bell Beakers (represented by Beaker_Iberia), Corded Ware (represented by CWC_Baltic) and Minoans (represented by Minoan_Lasithi)
    Additionally I've added two non-European populations: Nganassans (proxy for Siberian and East Asian ancestry) and Yoruba (proxy for SubSaharan ancestry).
    Note that this is a calculator for Europeans only and I suggest using it with default penalty.

    Datasheet:

    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Beaker_Iberia,0.127027,0.14583,0.059887,0.013889,0.05995,-0.001227,-0.007191,0.002631,0.034565,0.043882,-0.003865,0.012259,-0.023994,-0.017396,0.007709,0.000583,0.00412,0.003269,2.5e-05,4e-04,0.008086,0.005119,-0.00599,-0.017834,0.001126
    CWC_Baltic,0.125205,0.114417,0.071024,0.093455,0.031596,0.028819,0.009322,0.008077,-0.006408,-0.027275,0.002869,-0.005545,0.006095,-0.000183,0.015834,0.010475,0.002912,0.000549,0.00352,0.00371,0.005158,0.002638,-0.002177,-0.004298,2e-04
    Minoan_Lasithi,0.119287,0.170609,-0.018177,-0.093993,0.029544,-0.039826,-0.001316,-0.003461,0.010349,0.05981,0.002988,0.015316,-0.025124,-5.5e-05,-0.037459,-0.010952,0.017393,-0.001242,0.008874,-0.013632,-0.013376,0.008384,-0.005078,-0.00106,-0.002443
    Nganassan,0.047692,-0.406618,0.155789,0.00239,-0.159445,-0.088213,0.028507,0.043337,0.031088,0.012848,0.102857,0.009412,-0.004073,-0.026162,-0.021973,-0.012331,-0.001095,0.013416,0.026837,-0.00085,0.043136,-0.011895,0.03361,0.000398,0.013556
    Yoruba,-0.630062,0.062501,0.022113,0.016708,0.000503,0.012474,-0.044417,0.047767,-0.048881,0.032769,0.004621,0.00079,0.023056,0.000951,0.012523,-0.009607,0.007076,0.000449,0.006022,-0.00299,0.001554,0.002316,-0.001759,-0.000471,-0.000425
    My results:

    [1] "distance%=4.3583"

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    CWC_Baltic,82.8
    Beaker_Iberia,9.4
    Minoan_Lasithi,7.2
    Nganassan,0.6
    could you please run for my father?

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Burak_scaled,0.118376,0.110693,0.008674,-0.010982,0.005539,0,0.00235,0.004384,-0.001432,-0.000182,0.002273,-0.003747,0.001784,0.006055,-0.018322,0.008751,0.020601,-0.009502,-0.000503,0.003001,-0.009608,0.004204,0.001479,0.001205,0.000239

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Burak,0.0104,0.0109,0.0023,-0.0034,0.0018,0,0.001,0.0019,-0.0007,-0.0001,0.0014,-0.0025,0.0012,0.0044,-0.0135,0.0066,0.0158,-0.0075,-0.0004,0.0024,-0.0077,0.0034,0.0012,0.001,0.0002

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    Can someoone please runit for me ?

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    JohnnyP_scaled,0.125205,0.13405,0.039221,0.00969,0 .029544,-0.001952,0.004465,0.005307,-0.002045,-0.001458,-0.005846,-0.002398,-0.001189,0.016102,-0.013708,-0.000928,0.014603,-0.000507,0.007039,0.002001,-0.008485,-0.000618,0.007148,-0.00253,-0.007065

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    JohnnyP,0.011,0.0132,0.0104,0.003,0.0096,-0.0007,0.0019,0.0023,-0.001,-0.0008,-0.0036,-0.0016,-0.0008,0.0117,-0.0101,-0.0007,0.0112,-0.0004,0.0056,0.0016,-0.0068,-0.0005,0.0058,-0.0021,-0.0059

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    Quote Originally Posted by macman View Post
    Can someoone please runit for me ?

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    JohnnyP_scaled,0.125205,0.13405,0.039221,0.00969,0 .029544,-0.001952,0.004465,0.005307,-0.002045,-0.001458,-0.005846,-0.002398,-0.001189,0.016102,-0.013708,-0.000928,0.014603,-0.000507,0.007039,0.002001,-0.008485,-0.000618,0.007148,-0.00253,-0.007065

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    JohnnyP,0.011,0.0132,0.0104,0.003,0.0096,-0.0007,0.0019,0.0023,-0.001,-0.0008,-0.0036,-0.0016,-0.0008,0.0117,-0.0101,-0.0007,0.0112,-0.0004,0.0056,0.0016,-0.0068,-0.0005,0.0058,-0.0021,-0.0059
    distance%=3.0704"

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    CWC_Baltic,58.4
    Minoan_Lasithi,41.2
    Nganassan,0.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuzu14 View Post
    could you please run for my father?

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Burak_scaled,0.118376,0.110693,0.008674,-0.010982,0.005539,0,0.00235,0.004384,-0.001432,-0.000182,0.002273,-0.003747,0.001784,0.006055,-0.018322,0.008751,0.020601,-0.009502,-0.000503,0.003001,-0.009608,0.004204,0.001479,0.001205,0.000239

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Burak,0.0104,0.0109,0.0023,-0.0034,0.0018,0,0.001,0.0019,-0.0007,-0.0001,0.0014,-0.0025,0.0012,0.0044,-0.0135,0.0066,0.0158,-0.0075,-0.0004,0.0024,-0.0077,0.0034,0.0012,0.001,0.0002
    [1] "distance%=4.6499"

    Burak_scaled

    Minoan_Lasithi,50
    CWC_Baltic,44.6
    Nganassan,5.2
    Yoruba,0.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    distance%=3.0704"

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    CWC_Baltic,58.4
    Minoan_Lasithi,41.2
    Nganassan,0.4

    THanks man! Do under "CWC_Baltic" is also Scandinavians/nordics ?

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