Corded Ware, Beakers and Minoan G25 Calculator

[AlexRus]

When the north of Russia was opened up by Novgorod principality, the indigenous population would be included in the case of the Uralic population (Fino-ugric), that is why the northern Russians are "small outliers" at the genetic cluster closer more to Finns and karelians

Now many lovers of genetics are confused. Who are the northern Russians? Northern Russians are Russian people with special dialectical features. They have a special accent, which is distinguished by the pronunciation of the Slavic letter "o". Central Russians and southern Russians say “a” instead of “o”. For example, the northern Russian speaks "Moskva", the central and southern Russian speaks "Maskva". In the Middle Ages, a dialect with a sound [o] was in Novgorod and in Kargopol and in Arkhangelsk. But after the appearance of the literary language, such cities as Novgorod, Kargopol switched to Central Russian dialect. Therefore, it is formally Central Russian. There is no territorial division of the Russian people. The Russian people are divided only minor dialectic features.
2) Russians who are close to the Finns are Pomors. Pomors is Russian subethnos. They live east of Arkhangelsk along rivers and the sea — Mezen, Pinega, and so on. There are 6 thousand of them. Russian people more than 120 million people.
3) Pomors are northern Russians, but northern Russians are not Pomors. This is the mistake of people who do not understand Russian.

This is PCA sample Kozlov, calculator K27 MDLP
Where is the Russian Kargopol Karelians? Karelians are very far from Kargopol. Veps is a mixture of Finns and Slavs.


Kargapol, along with all the Slavs, Pomors near the Veps, but far from the Karelians. Since the Vepsians are a mixture of Finns and Slavs, then the Pomors also mix the Finns and Slavs, so they are similar.

[Coldmountains]

Now many lovers of genetics are confused. Who are the northern Russians? Northern Russians are Russian people with special dialectical features. They have a special accent, which is distinguished by the pronunciation of the Slavic letter "o". Central Russians and southern Russians say “a” instead of “o”. For example, the northern Russian speaks "Moskva", the central and southern Russian speaks "Maskva". In the Middle Ages, a dialect with a sound [o] was in Novgorod and in Kargopol and in Arkhangelsk. But after the appearance of the literary language, such cities as Novgorod, Kargopol switched to Central Russian dialect. Therefore, it is formally Central Russian. There is no territorial division of the Russian people. The Russian people are divided only minor dialectic features.
2) Russians who are close to the Finns are Pomors. Pomors is Russian subethnos. They live east of Arkhangelsk along rivers and the sea — Mezen, Pinega, and so on. There are 6 thousand of them. Russian people more than 120 million people.
3) Pomors are northern Russians, but northern Russians are not Pomors. This is the mistake of people who do not understand Russian.

This is PCA sample Kozlov, calculator K27 MDLP
Where is the Russian Kargopol Karelians? Karelians are very far from Kargopol. Veps is a mixture of Finns and Slavs.


Kargapol, along with all the Slavs, Pomors near the Veps, but far from the Karelians. Since the Vepsians are a mixture of Finns and Slavs, then the Pomors also mix the Finns and Slavs, so they are similar.

They are divided by minor dialects because czarist and communist government very much standardized and centralized the language. Also there was so much internal migration in Russia that most Russians have ancestors from many distant regions of the country. In medieval Rus NW Russian dialects around Novgorod/Pskov very much differed from Russian dialects in the rest of the East Slavic world. Today North Russian dialects still somewhere differ from Standard Russian despite all the migration from the South during the last 200 years. Actually North Russian dialects are quite conservative and archaic Slavic dialects even if Slavic ancestry is lower there.

[AlexRus]

They are divided by minor dialects because czarist and communist government very much standardized and centralized the language. Also there was so much internal migration in Russia that most Russians have ancestors from many distant regions of the country. In medieval Rus NW Russian dialects around Novgorod/Pskov very much differed from Russian dialects in the rest of the East Slavic world. Today North Russian dialects still somewhere differ from Standard Russian despite all the migration from the South during the last 200 years. Actually North Russian dialects are quite conservative and archaic Slavic dialects even if Slavic ancestry is lower there.

Is the language situation in Germany or France different than in Russia? Did the capitalist government of these countries standardize their languages?

[Alain]

Now many lovers of genetics are confused. Who are the northern Russians? Northern Russians are Russian people with special dialectical features. They have a special accent, which is distinguished by the pronunciation of the Slavic letter "o". Central Russians and southern Russians say “a” instead of “o”. For example, the northern Russian speaks "Moskva", the central and southern Russian speaks "Maskva". In the Middle Ages, a dialect with a sound [o] was in Novgorod and in Kargopol and in Arkhangelsk. But after the appearance of the literary language, such cities as Novgorod, Kargopol switched to Central Russian dialect. Therefore, it is formally Central Russian. There is no territorial division of the Russian people. The Russian people are divided only minor dialectic features.
2) Russians who are close to the Finns are Pomors. Pomors is Russian subethnos. They live east of Arkhangelsk along rivers and the sea — Mezen, Pinega, and so on. There are 6 thousand of them. Russian people more than 120 million people.
3) Pomors are northern Russians, but northern Russians are not Pomors. This is the mistake of people who do not understand Russian.

This is PCA sample Kozlov, calculator K27 MDLP
Where is the Russian Kargopol Karelians? Karelians are very far from Kargopol. Veps is a mixture of Finns and Slavs.


Kargapol, along with all the Slavs, Pomors near the Veps, but far from the Karelians. Since the Vepsians are a mixture of Finns and Slavs, then the Pomors also mix the Finns and Slavs, so they are similar.

The Russian Old Believers

The polymorphism of mtDNA was examined in populations of Old Believers (n = 104) and Russians from Novosibirsk oblast (n = 270). Most of the haplogroups identified belonged to West Eurasian lineages. The frequencies of these haplogroups constituted 96.6% in Russians from Novosibirsk and 93.2% in Old Believers from Tyumen oblast. The populations examined were characterized by a high mtDNA diversity level (h = 0.98) compared to other population samples of Russians from Russia. Among the West Eurasian haplogroups, the most common (a frequency of more than 10%) were haplogroups H, U, J, and T, the proportion of which constituted 77.9% in Old Believers and 83.1% in Russians from Novosibirsk. The Mongoloid admixture in Russians (3.3%) and Old Believers (6.7%) was represented by haplogroups A, D, Z, and C, D, M*, respectively. Statistically significant differences (P < 0.05) were revealed between the Old Believers examined and Bosnians, Czechs, Slovenes, and Russians from the cities of Nizhny Novgorod and Tula. The data obtained confirm the earlier hypothesized influence of the Finno-Ugric component on the East Slavic populations

A other example please

[AlexRus]

The Russian Old Believers

A other example please

What's wrong with Finns? Why in southern Europe do not like Finns?The Finnish mixture is considered a black mark. I think it's jealousy. Everyone wants to have a lot of EHG, but not all of them have enough. The old believers of a religious sect - the pioneers of Siberia. Novosibirsk was settled from the center of Russia, 3% of Siberian mtDNA is the norm. Who mixes genetics with anthropology uses scientific studies on the genetics of anthropological terms - Mongoloid, he is a loser. Siberian, Indean components are not Mongoloid a priori.

[zuzu14]

I've created a simple K5 calculator based on G25 Scaled coordinates.
The main goal of this calculator is to estimate ancestry proportions from major cultures in Europe 4000-5000 years ago: Bell Beakers (represented by Beaker_Iberia), Corded Ware (represented by CWC_Baltic) and Minoans (represented by Minoan_Lasithi)
Additionally I've added two non-European populations: Nganassans (proxy for Siberian and East Asian ancestry) and Yoruba (proxy for SubSaharan ancestry).
Note that this is a calculator for Europeans only and I suggest using it with default penalty.

Datasheet:

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Beaker_Iberia,0.127027,0.14583,0.059887,0.013889,0.05995,-0.001227,-0.007191,0.002631,0.034565,0.043882,-0.003865,0.012259,-0.023994,-0.017396,0.007709,0.000583,0.00412,0.003269,2.5e-05,4e-04,0.008086,0.005119,-0.00599,-0.017834,0.001126
CWC_Baltic,0.125205,0.114417,0.071024,0.093455,0.031596,0.028819,0.009322,0.008077,-0.006408,-0.027275,0.002869,-0.005545,0.006095,-0.000183,0.015834,0.010475,0.002912,0.000549,0.00352,0.00371,0.005158,0.002638,-0.002177,-0.004298,2e-04
Minoan_Lasithi,0.119287,0.170609,-0.018177,-0.093993,0.029544,-0.039826,-0.001316,-0.003461,0.010349,0.05981,0.002988,0.015316,-0.025124,-5.5e-05,-0.037459,-0.010952,0.017393,-0.001242,0.008874,-0.013632,-0.013376,0.008384,-0.005078,-0.00106,-0.002443
Nganassan,0.047692,-0.406618,0.155789,0.00239,-0.159445,-0.088213,0.028507,0.043337,0.031088,0.012848,0.102857,0.009412,-0.004073,-0.026162,-0.021973,-0.012331,-0.001095,0.013416,0.026837,-0.00085,0.043136,-0.011895,0.03361,0.000398,0.013556
Yoruba,-0.630062,0.062501,0.022113,0.016708,0.000503,0.012474,-0.044417,0.047767,-0.048881,0.032769,0.004621,0.00079,0.023056,0.000951,0.012523,-0.009607,0.007076,0.000449,0.006022,-0.00299,0.001554,0.002316,-0.001759,-0.000471,-0.000425

My results:

[1] "distance%=4.3583"

michal3141

CWC_Baltic,82.8
Beaker_Iberia,9.4
Minoan_Lasithi,7.2
Nganassan,0.6

could you please run for my father?

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Burak_scaled,0.118376,0.110693,0.008674,-0.010982,0.005539,0,0.00235,0.004384,-0.001432,-0.000182,0.002273,-0.003747,0.001784,0.006055,-0.018322,0.008751,0.020601,-0.009502,-0.000503,0.003001,-0.009608,0.004204,0.001479,0.001205,0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Burak,0.0104,0.0109,0.0023,-0.0034,0.0018,0,0.001,0.0019,-0.0007,-0.0001,0.0014,-0.0025,0.0012,0.0044,-0.0135,0.0066,0.0158,-0.0075,-0.0004,0.0024,-0.0077,0.0034,0.0012,0.001,0.0002

[macman]

Can someoone please runit for me ?

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JohnnyP_scaled,0.125205,0.13405,0.039221,0.00969,0 .029544,-0.001952,0.004465,0.005307,-0.002045,-0.001458,-0.005846,-0.002398,-0.001189,0.016102,-0.013708,-0.000928,0.014603,-0.000507,0.007039,0.002001,-0.008485,-0.000618,0.007148,-0.00253,-0.007065

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
JohnnyP,0.011,0.0132,0.0104,0.003,0.0096,-0.0007,0.0019,0.0023,-0.001,-0.0008,-0.0036,-0.0016,-0.0008,0.0117,-0.0101,-0.0007,0.0112,-0.0004,0.0056,0.0016,-0.0068,-0.0005,0.0058,-0.0021,-0.0059

[AlexRus]

Can someoone please runit for me ?

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
JohnnyP_scaled,0.125205,0.13405,0.039221,0.00969,0 .029544,-0.001952,0.004465,0.005307,-0.002045,-0.001458,-0.005846,-0.002398,-0.001189,0.016102,-0.013708,-0.000928,0.014603,-0.000507,0.007039,0.002001,-0.008485,-0.000618,0.007148,-0.00253,-0.007065

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
JohnnyP,0.011,0.0132,0.0104,0.003,0.0096,-0.0007,0.0019,0.0023,-0.001,-0.0008,-0.0036,-0.0016,-0.0008,0.0117,-0.0101,-0.0007,0.0112,-0.0004,0.0056,0.0016,-0.0068,-0.0005,0.0058,-0.0021,-0.0059

distance%=3.0704"

JohnnyP_scaled

CWC_Baltic,58.4
Minoan_Lasithi,41.2
Nganassan,0.4

[AlexRus]

could you please run for my father?

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Burak_scaled,0.118376,0.110693,0.008674,-0.010982,0.005539,0,0.00235,0.004384,-0.001432,-0.000182,0.002273,-0.003747,0.001784,0.006055,-0.018322,0.008751,0.020601,-0.009502,-0.000503,0.003001,-0.009608,0.004204,0.001479,0.001205,0.000239

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Burak,0.0104,0.0109,0.0023,-0.0034,0.0018,0,0.001,0.0019,-0.0007,-0.0001,0.0014,-0.0025,0.0012,0.0044,-0.0135,0.0066,0.0158,-0.0075,-0.0004,0.0024,-0.0077,0.0034,0.0012,0.001,0.0002

[1] "distance%=4.6499"

Burak_scaled

Minoan_Lasithi,50
CWC_Baltic,44.6
Nganassan,5.2
Yoruba,0.2

[macman]

distance%=3.0704"

JohnnyP_scaled

CWC_Baltic,58.4
Minoan_Lasithi,41.2
Nganassan,0.4

THanks man! Do under "CWC_Baltic" is also Scandinavians/nordics ?