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    Randwulf, will you be doing these with the additional Iberian samples now avaliable in G25?
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    [1] "distance%=0.8188"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Randwulf, will you be doing these with the additional Iberian samples now avaliable in G25?
    I keep the datasets updated as the changes are released. This group looks like a good one for your testing. I will rerun you and the Mrs after the updates with everything and then you can tell me how you want to set up for new custom runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Randwulf, will you be doing these with the additional Iberian samples now avaliable in G25?
    It looks like some of the new Iberia ancients will be helpful:

    You:

    distance%: 0.62

    Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE 18.71
    Iberia_East_IA 18.51
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad 15.61
    England_IA 9.04
    Iberia_Northeast_Hel 8.39
    Remedello_BA 6.01
    Scotland_LBA 4.3
    Iberomaurusian 3.77
    Czech_EBA 3.68
    Germany_Medieval 3.25
    Iberia_Central_CA_Afr 3.07
    ALPc_MN 2.92
    Iberia_N 1.96
    Lapita_Vanuatu 0.77

    Mrs:

    distance%: 0.58

    Iberia_East_IA 21.56
    England_IA 16.67
    Sintashta_MLBA 8.79
    Scythian_Ukraine 6.88
    Iberomaurusian 6.54
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno 5.87
    Levant_ChL 5.62
    Iberia_Northeast_MLN 5.25
    Scotland_N 4.89
    Iberia_N 4.84
    Lapita_Tonga 3.18
    Balkans_ChL 3.14
    Ukraine_N_o 2.94
    Beaker_Iberia_no_steppe 1.83
    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 1.17
    South_Africa_2000BP 0.82

    Let me know if you want a custom model how you want to proceed and what reference groups to include.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    It looks like some of the new Iberia ancients will be helpful:

    You:

    distance%: 0.62

    Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE 18.71
    Iberia_East_IA 18.51
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad 15.61
    England_IA 9.04
    Iberia_Northeast_Hel 8.39
    Remedello_BA 6.01
    Scotland_LBA 4.3
    Iberomaurusian 3.77
    Czech_EBA 3.68
    Germany_Medieval 3.25
    Iberia_Central_CA_Afr 3.07
    ALPc_MN 2.92
    Iberia_N 1.96
    Lapita_Vanuatu 0.77

    Mrs:

    distance%: 0.58

    Iberia_East_IA 21.56
    England_IA 16.67
    Sintashta_MLBA 8.79
    Scythian_Ukraine 6.88
    Iberomaurusian 6.54
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno 5.87
    Levant_ChL 5.62
    Iberia_Northeast_MLN 5.25
    Scotland_N 4.89
    Iberia_N 4.84
    Lapita_Tonga 3.18
    Balkans_ChL 3.14
    Ukraine_N_o 2.94
    Beaker_Iberia_no_steppe 1.83
    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o 1.17
    South_Africa_2000BP 0.82

    Let me know if you want a custom model how you want to proceed and what reference groups to include.
    Thanks! Are those average or individual samples? It's odd Szolad is still up there. My missus barely benefits from these, just the IA sample
    Last edited by Ruderico; 03-16-2019 at 10:39 AM.
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>BY36857. Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    [1] "distance%=0.8188"

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    Scotland_LBA,39.6
    ALPc_MN,21.4
    England_CA_EBA,18.8
    Ukraine_N_o,14.6
    Iberomaurusian,5.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Thanks! Are those average or individual samples? It's odd Szolad is still up there. My missus barely benefits from these, just the IA sample
    I use the individuals to model. It may be that with a custom model, the Mrs may use more, since it could be just a matter of overlap. That Szolad sample seems to represent something very useful in your model as it is very persistent. It may be interesting to run a "byseg" version of DIYDodecad with one of the hi-K calculators on your kit to see if anything jumps out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    I use the individuals to model. It may be that with a custom model, the Mrs may use more, since it could be just a matter of overlap. That Szolad sample seems to represent something very useful in your model as it is very persistent. It may be interesting to run a "byseg" version of DIYDodecad with one of the hi-K calculators on your kit to see if anything jumps out of it.
    I was just wondering which individuals were involved because, for example, Iberia_Northeast_Hel is listed but these individuals cluster in different areas: One is clearly mediterranean, the other is basically an IA Iberian and the last one seems western European (maybe a gaul/celt?).

    In my case the Szolad ZS30 sample might be a hint of Germanic ancestry (probably Suebi, since the Visigothic samples seem more Eastern/Southern than the Lombard ones - besides I'm northern Portuguese) or maybe she has Alpine Celtic ancestry, as it seems as a really good fit for me in particular. But in CelticVSGermanic I don't seem Germanic at all, so it may be the latter
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>BY36857. Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    [1] "distance%=0.8188"

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    Scotland_LBA,39.6
    ALPc_MN,21.4
    England_CA_EBA,18.8
    Ukraine_N_o,14.6
    Iberomaurusian,5.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    I was just wondering which individuals were involved because, for example, Iberia_Northeast_Hel is listed but these individuals cluster in different areas: One is clearly mediterranean, the other is basically an IA Iberian and the last one seems western European (maybe a gaul/celt?).

    In my case the Szolad ZS30 sample might be a hint of Germanic ancestry (probably Suebi, since the Visigothic samples seem more Eastern/Southern than the Lombard ones - besides I'm northern Portuguese) or maybe she has Alpine Celtic ancestry, as it seems as a really good fit for me in particular. But in CelticVSGermanic I don't seem Germanic at all, so it may be the latter
    I can run you later without summing to the group level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    I was just wondering which individuals were involved because, for example, Iberia_Northeast_Hel is listed but these individuals cluster in different areas: One is clearly mediterranean, the other is basically an IA Iberian and the last one seems western European (maybe a gaul/celt?).

    In my case the Szolad ZS30 sample might be a hint of Germanic ancestry (probably Suebi, since the Visigothic samples seem more Eastern/Southern than the Lombard ones - besides I'm northern Portuguese) or maybe she has Alpine Celtic ancestry, as it seems as a really good fit for me in particular. But in CelticVSGermanic I don't seem Germanic at all, so it may be the latter
    Results without summing to groups...

    You:

    distance%: 0.63

    Iberia_East_IA_I3322 22.0
    Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE_I10892 20.76
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ30 13.03
    Czech_EBA_I7196 8.2
    England_IA_I0160 6.71
    Iberia_Northeast_Hel_I8208 6.33
    Vinca_MN_I1887 5.47
    Iberomaurusian_TAF012 3.62
    Germany_Medieval_NW_255 3.56
    Iberia_N_mur 3.3
    Iberia_Central_CA_Afr_I4246 3.21
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ14 3.04
    Lapita_Vanuatu_I1370 0.79

    Mrs:

    distance%: 0.58

    England_IA_I0160 20.53
    Iberia_East_IA_I3321 16.61
    Iberia_East_IA_I3327 7.52
    Iberomaurusian_TAF012 6.66
    Sintashta_MLBA_I1062 6.5
    Scythian_Ukraine_scy011 6.38
    Levant_ChL_I1164 5.43
    Barcin_N_I1101 5.23
    Iberia_Northeast_MLN_I10285 5.09
    Scotland_N_I2634 4.54
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL151 4.05
    Lapita_Tonga_CP30 3.32
    Beaker_Iberia_no_steppe_I1970 2.52
    Ukraine_N_o_I3719 1.9
    Iberia_N_I0410 1.49
    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o_S7722.E1.L1 1.47
    South_Africa_2000BP_I9028.SG 0.75

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    My family with the Iberians:

    Me:

    distance%: 0.4

    England_MBA_I7575 10.38
    Germany_Medieval_ACD_STR_355 10.25
    Germany_Medieval_STR_316 9.67
    Iberia_N_I1972 8.12
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ24 7.74
    Iberia_East_IA_I3324 6.68
    Scotland_LBA_I2859 6.52
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL83 6.51
    Germany_Medieval_NW_255 6.08
    Barcin_N_I1101 5.68
    Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale_I1549 5.13
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE_I12644 4.35
    Germany_Medieval_ACD_BIM_33 3.91
    Beaker_Bavaria_I5835 3.55
    Afanasievo_I6711 1.93
    England_MBA_I7640 1.83
    Iberia_East_IA_I3327 1.57
    Srubnaya-Alakulskaya_MLBA_mur004 0.09

    Dad:

    distance%: 0.46

    Germany_Medieval_ACD_STR_355 25.25
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ3 23.19
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ15 17.49
    Mentese_N_I0723 9.07
    Srubnaya-Alakulskaya_MLBA_kzb007 7.4
    Iberia_Northeast_Hel_I8206 6.7
    LBK_N_I2030 2.77
    Beaker_Britain_I6775 2.66
    Iberomaurusian_TAF011 2.63
    South_Africa_2000BP_I9028.SG 1.39
    Afanasievo_I5278 1.07
    Man_Bac_all_I0627_all 0.3
    LBK_N_Austria_I5068 0.08

    Mom:

    distance%: 0.48

    Germany_Medieval_STR_316 18.56
    Iberia_East_IA_I3324 17.42
    Germany_Medieval_AED_249 12.58
    Iberia_N_mur 9.21
    CWC_Baltic_early_I4629 9.17
    Afanasievo_I5270 8.21
    LBK_N_Austria_I5206 7.34
    Sintashta_MLBA_I0986 6.9
    Iberia_Southeast_BA_I8136 4.47
    Germany_Medieval_NW_255 2.25
    Balkans_N_I2533 1.77
    Germany_Medieval_ACD_BIM_33 1.63
    Ethiopia_4500BP_mota.SG 0.5

    Wife:

    distance%: 0.18

    England_Anglo-Saxon_O1-I0769 17.93
    Wales_CA_EBA_I1775 15.18
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL93 10.35
    Beaker_France_South_I3874 8.96
    Petrovka_MLBA_I0945 8.49
    Ukraine_N_o_I3719 7.85
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ38 7.1
    Cimmerian_Moldova_cim357 5.94
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ13 5.73
    Germany_Medieval_NW_255 5.1
    Natufian_I1072 2.87
    LBK_N_I0659 2.56
    Iberia_Central_BA_I3493 1.94

    FIL:

    distance%: 0.64

    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ30 31.56
    Beaker_France_South_I3874 19.1
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ4 15.12
    Sintashta_MLBA_I1008 7.89
    Germany_Medieval_ALH_10 6.91
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL145 6.09
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE_I12515 4.53
    Germany_Medieval_STR_316 3.75
    Srubnaya-Alakulskaya_MLBA_mur003 2.49
    Natufian_I1072 1.76
    Iberomaurusian_TAF012 0.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    Here is a run with all of the ancients, just for ideas:

    distance%: 0.33

    England_MBA 19.38
    England_Roman 13.41
    Germany_Medieval 13.0
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno 10.01
    Varna_o 9.67
    Petrovka_MLBA 7.62
    Beaker_Bavaria 7.12
    Beaker_France_South 6.99
    Baltic_BA 3.85
    England_IA 3.78
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad 3.03
    Ukraine_N_o 1.5
    Iberomaurusian 0.63

    For early moderns, I am thinking your second model already looks really good with reference to the full spreadsheet run. So, here it is with gradient descent as the modeler with no summing of the groups:

    distance%: 0.64

    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ24 18.59
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ8 15.03
    Germany_Medieval_ALH_3 14.41
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL57 10.81
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ9 10.48
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ16 7.35
    Germany_Medieval_NW_255 6.2
    Germany_Medieval_STR_316 5.53
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL102 5.45
    Germany_Medieval_AED_106 3.59
    Germany_Medieval_STR_486 2.56

    England Roman was in the reference group, but was not selected for the model. I think there is a lot of overlap in these groups.
    Thank you so much. Greatly appreciated.

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