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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    Please do the updated version on mine.
    Thank you.

     

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    Nino_scaled,0.126344,0.119832,0.063356,0.036822,0. 032621,0.015618,0.004935,0.007615,0.011044,0.00400 9,-0.002111,0.009741,-0.010406,-0.016377,0.010043,0.01538,0.009909,-0.002534,0.008045,0.012756,0.009733,-0.00272,0.006655,0.006145,0.000239

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    There is no version update, so I am guessing you are talking about my custom run for my family as Dewsloth requested. So, on that guess, here is what seemed to work for you:

    distance%: 0.92

    England_IA_HI1-I0156 41.17
    Scythian_Hungary_DA194 29.13
    Scythian_Moldova_scy311 21.94
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL87 4.21
    England_IA_L-I0789 3.55

    It is pretty simple, Iron Age English plus Scythian plus a little Lombard. I had the Levanluhta in the mix, but it wasn't picked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    Here is a run with all of the ancients together:

    distance%: 0.16

    Germany_Medieval 21.41
    Balkans_ChL 10.11
    LBK_N 9.87
    Lisakovskiy_MLBA_Alakul 9.63
    Vinca_MN 7.14
    Baltic_BA 5.68
    Sweden_Viking_Age 5.28
    Gonur1_BA 4.45
    Sintashta_MLBA 4.15
    Tisza_LN 4.07
    LBK_N_Austria 3.83
    Anatolia_MLBA_low_res 3.71
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno 3.42
    Cimmerian_Moldova 3.29
    Scythian_Moldova 3.06
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL 0.91

    Your results splintered quite a bit compared to some others. I have been doing custom runs if you want to pick an era and use this for ideas, just suggest a few, small number of references to include in the custom model and I can run that.
    I am unsure on what you mean, so..german medieval and LBK ones ( The 2 ), would be fine

    The gonur tepe i have been associared with befiee, but thus is too ancient, or ...

    I also think any swedish link must be via my H95a mtdna which has a 70%matches with swedes and 30% with eastern alps people
    Last edited by vettor; 03-13-2019 at 09:49 PM.

    European = 99.2%......Central Asian = 0.8% ....Yfull - 1460BC, Jura caves
    Father's Mtdna .........T2b17
    Grandfather's Mtdna .......T1a1e
    Sons Mtdna .......K1a4
    Maternal Grandfather paternal......I1d-P109...CTS6009
    Wife's Ydna .....R1a-Z282

    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS54+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, Y70078+ )

    The main negatives = ( M193-, P322-, P327-, Pages11- , L25- , CTS1848- )

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    I am unsure on what you mean, so..german medieval and LBK ones ( The 2 ), would be fine

    The gonur tepe i have been associared with befiee, but thus is too ancient, or ...

    I also think any swedish link must be via my H95a mtdna which has a 70%matches with swedes and 30% with eastern alps people
    The LBK references are Neolithic, so quite a bit from the Medieval Germans. If you want, I could do an early moderns run like I just did for a couple of the others. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    The LBK references are Neolithic, so quite a bit from the Medieval Germans. If you want, I could do an early moderns run like I just did for a couple of the others. What do you think?
    Fine, if there is no issue , as in relevant for me.

    Kind regards

    European = 99.2%......Central Asian = 0.8% ....Yfull - 1460BC, Jura caves
    Father's Mtdna .........T2b17
    Grandfather's Mtdna .......T1a1e
    Sons Mtdna .......K1a4
    Maternal Grandfather paternal......I1d-P109...CTS6009
    Wife's Ydna .....R1a-Z282

    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS54+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, Y70078+ )

    The main negatives = ( M193-, P322-, P327-, Pages11- , L25- , CTS1848- )

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Fine, if there is no issue , as in relevant for me.

    Kind regards
    Here is a model that seemed OK with Lombards, Medieval Germans, and Scythians:

    distance%: 0.65

    Scythian_Hungary_DA198 36.65
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL63 21.28
    Germany_Medieval_STR_486 14.08
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL36 13.64
    Scythian_Moldova_scy197 8.53
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL23 3.33
    Scythian_Moldova_scy300 2.49

    You can check out those individuals on the web runner, if you like, and do the "check fits" to see what each one is like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    Here is a model that seemed OK with Lombards, Medieval Germans, and Scythians:

    distance%: 0.65

    Scythian_Hungary_DA198 36.65
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL63 21.28
    Germany_Medieval_STR_486 14.08
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL36 13.64
    Scythian_Moldova_scy197 8.53
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL23 3.33
    Scythian_Moldova_scy300 2.49

    You can check out those individuals on the web runner, if you like, and do the "check fits" to see what each one is like.
    Thanks

    Well CL23 is my haplogroup branch and i match him in SNP CTS6071

    European = 99.2%......Central Asian = 0.8% ....Yfull - 1460BC, Jura caves
    Father's Mtdna .........T2b17
    Grandfather's Mtdna .......T1a1e
    Sons Mtdna .......K1a4
    Maternal Grandfather paternal......I1d-P109...CTS6009
    Wife's Ydna .....R1a-Z282

    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS54+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, Y70078+ )

    The main negatives = ( M193-, P322-, P327-, Pages11- , L25- , CTS1848- )

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    Could you please run mine with the ancients and early moderns randwulf when you get a minute? If you don't have my coordinates let me know?

    Thank you very much.

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    Randwulf, could you run mine as well with the ancients and early moderns when you get a chance?
    KM_scaled, 0.134311,0.132019,0.067127,0.045866,0.035391,0.021 196,0.00188,0.004384,0.002863,0.002916,0.005034,0. 004346,-0.009812,-0.002477,0.016694,0.001458,-0.009388,0.001014,0.000377,0.004502,-0.000873,-0.002844,-0.001602,0.013737,-0.003712

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    KM,0.0118,0.013,0.0178,0.0142,0.0115,0.0076,0.0008 ,0.0019,0.0014,0.0016,-0.0031,0.0029,-0.0066,-0.0018,0.0123,0.0011,-0.0072,0.0008,0.0003,0.0036,-0.0007,-0.0023,-0.0013,0.0114,-0.0031

    I was playing around with Poi's runner a couple of days ago but was not really sure what I was doing.
    {
    "sample": "Custom:KM",
    "fit": 0.6165,
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad": 41.67,
    "Germany_Medieval": 24.17,
    "England_Anglo-Saxon": 19.17,
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno": 15,
    "closestDistances": [
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:O3-I0774: 1.339410",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ16: 1.601362",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ7: 1.622254",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84: 1.644671",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42: 1.676806",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL83: 1.692705",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ11: 1.769947",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS2-I0159: 1.808540",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:NO3423: 1.820815",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS3-I0161: 1.855295",
    "Germany_Medieval:ALH_3: 1.875536",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL146: 1.904808",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ9: 1.916483",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38: 1.954016",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS1-I0157: 1.992554",

    {
    "sample": "Custom:KM",
    "fit": 0.6442,
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad": 54.17,
    "Germany_Medieval": 25,
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno": 15,
    "England_Roman": 5.83,
    "closestDistances": [
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ16: 1.601362",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ7: 1.622254",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84: 1.644671",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42: 1.676806",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL83: 1.692705",
    "England_Roman:3DT16: 1.725622",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ11: 1.769947",
    "England_Roman:6DT21: 1.811354",
    "Germany_Medieval:ALH_3: 1.875536",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL146: 1.904808",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ9: 1.916483",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38: 1.954016",
    "England_Roman:6DT23: 1.971269",
    "sample": "Custom:KM",
    "fit": 0.6638,
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad": 51.67,
    "Germany_Medieval": 25,
    "England_Roman": 12.5,
    "England_Anglo-Saxon": 10.83,
    "closestDistances": [
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:O3-I0774: 1.339410",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ16: 1.601362",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ7: 1.622254",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42: 1.676806",
    "England_Roman:3DT16: 1.725622",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ11: 1.769947",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS2-I0159: 1.808540",
    "England_Roman:6DT21: 1.811354",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:NO3423: 1.820815",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS3-I0161: 1.855295",
    "Germany_Medieval:ALH_3: 1.875536",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ9: 1.916483",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38: 1.954016",
    "England_Roman:6DT23: 1.971269",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS1-I0157: 1.992554",

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    Could you please run mine with the ancients and early moderns randwulf when you get a minute? If you don't have my coordinates let me know?

    Thank you very much.
    Your full ancients spreadsheet run is here:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post549448

    Here is an early moderns model:

    distance%: 0.57

    England_Anglo-Saxon_O1-I0769 25.01
    England_Roman_6DT23 20.6
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ9 14.68
    England_Anglo-Saxon_HS2-I0159 13.41
    Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna_grt035 7.4
    Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna_stg021 6.25
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ12 6.02
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ30 4.46
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ24 2.19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aroon1916 View Post
    Randwulf, could you run mine as well with the ancients and early moderns when you get a chance?
    KM_scaled, 0.134311,0.132019,0.067127,0.045866,0.035391,0.021 196,0.00188,0.004384,0.002863,0.002916,0.005034,0. 004346,-0.009812,-0.002477,0.016694,0.001458,-0.009388,0.001014,0.000377,0.004502,-0.000873,-0.002844,-0.001602,0.013737,-0.003712

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    KM,0.0118,0.013,0.0178,0.0142,0.0115,0.0076,0.0008 ,0.0019,0.0014,0.0016,-0.0031,0.0029,-0.0066,-0.0018,0.0123,0.0011,-0.0072,0.0008,0.0003,0.0036,-0.0007,-0.0023,-0.0013,0.0114,-0.0031

    I was playing around with Poi's runner a couple of days ago but was not really sure what I was doing.
    {
    "sample": "Custom:KM",
    "fit": 0.6165,
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad": 41.67,
    "Germany_Medieval": 24.17,
    "England_Anglo-Saxon": 19.17,
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno": 15,
    "closestDistances": [
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:O3-I0774: 1.339410",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ16: 1.601362",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ7: 1.622254",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84: 1.644671",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42: 1.676806",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL83: 1.692705",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ11: 1.769947",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS2-I0159: 1.808540",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:NO3423: 1.820815",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS3-I0161: 1.855295",
    "Germany_Medieval:ALH_3: 1.875536",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL146: 1.904808",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ9: 1.916483",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38: 1.954016",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS1-I0157: 1.992554",

    {
    "sample": "Custom:KM",
    "fit": 0.6442,
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad": 54.17,
    "Germany_Medieval": 25,
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno": 15,
    "England_Roman": 5.83,
    "closestDistances": [
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ16: 1.601362",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ7: 1.622254",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL84: 1.644671",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42: 1.676806",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL83: 1.692705",
    "England_Roman:3DT16: 1.725622",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ11: 1.769947",
    "England_Roman:6DT21: 1.811354",
    "Germany_Medieval:ALH_3: 1.875536",
    "Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL146: 1.904808",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ9: 1.916483",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38: 1.954016",
    "England_Roman:6DT23: 1.971269",
    "sample": "Custom:KM",
    "fit": 0.6638,
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad": 51.67,
    "Germany_Medieval": 25,
    "England_Roman": 12.5,
    "England_Anglo-Saxon": 10.83,
    "closestDistances": [
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:O3-I0774: 1.339410",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ16: 1.601362",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ7: 1.622254",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42: 1.676806",
    "England_Roman:3DT16: 1.725622",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ11: 1.769947",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS2-I0159: 1.808540",
    "England_Roman:6DT21: 1.811354",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:NO3423: 1.820815",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS3-I0161: 1.855295",
    "Germany_Medieval:ALH_3: 1.875536",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ9: 1.916483",
    "Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ38: 1.954016",
    "England_Roman:6DT23: 1.971269",
    "England_Anglo-Saxon:HS1-I0157: 1.992554",
    Here is a run with all of the ancients, just for ideas:

    distance%: 0.33

    England_MBA 19.38
    England_Roman 13.41
    Germany_Medieval 13.0
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno 10.01
    Varna_o 9.67
    Petrovka_MLBA 7.62
    Beaker_Bavaria 7.12
    Beaker_France_South 6.99
    Baltic_BA 3.85
    England_IA 3.78
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad 3.03
    Ukraine_N_o 1.5
    Iberomaurusian 0.63

    For early moderns, I am thinking your second model already looks really good with reference to the full spreadsheet run. So, here it is with gradient descent as the modeler with no summing of the groups:

    distance%: 0.64

    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ24 18.59
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ8 15.03
    Germany_Medieval_ALH_3 14.41
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL57 10.81
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ9 10.48
    Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_SZ16 7.35
    Germany_Medieval_NW_255 6.2
    Germany_Medieval_STR_316 5.53
    Italy_Medieval_Collegno_CL102 5.45
    Germany_Medieval_AED_106 3.59
    Germany_Medieval_STR_486 2.56

    England Roman was in the reference group, but was not selected for the model. I think there is a lot of overlap in these groups.

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