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    does anyone have more information on I1-L205 ? their origin , history , languages , most populated places now days and back then , etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ansel View Post
    does anyone have more information on I1-L205 ? their origin , history , languages , most populated places now days and back then , etc..
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L205/

    This haplogroup formed 3800 ybp, so that's fairly old. Judging from YFulls data I would say it was probably found among various Germanic groups, perhaps more northerly oriented groups (Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, Angles, etc).

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    My L205 Y line traces to Northumberland, England in 1772 and perhaps from there into the Scottish Borders or Scotland proper. L205 was assigned by 23andMe, so I'll need to do some further SNP tests to confirm and the Y-STR tests are just beginning.

    As of now, my working hypothesis is "Norweigian" or Norse Viking visits along the east coast of Scotland in the late 700s brought my Y-chromosome to Scotland, which fits both the history of the region and at least some of the paper trails for those that have tested at or below L205.

    Over time, I'll have more to share and would be happy to find others down the L205 subtree to compare notes with.
    Latest paper trail:
    Lancashire/Manchester - 20%; Tyne&Wear - 12.5%; Scotland - 12.5%; Ireland - 25%; Mecklenburg-Schwerin - 12.5%; Somerset - 6.5%; Essex - 8%; Yorkshire - 3%

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxcrowe View Post
    My L205 Y line traces to Northumberland, England in 1772 and perhaps from there into the Scottish Borders or Scotland proper. L205 was assigned by 23andMe, so I'll need to do some further SNP tests to confirm and the Y-STR tests are just beginning.

    As of now, my working hypothesis is "Norweigian" or Norse Viking visits along the east coast of Scotland in the late 700s brought my Y-chromosome to Scotland, which fits both the history of the region and at least some of the paper trails for those that have tested at or below L205.

    Over time, I'll have more to share and would be happy to find others down the L205 subtree to compare notes with.
    One of the nice things you can do these days - since FT made their tree public - is compare the two different trees. Unfortunately, not everyone submits their results to YFull and it may take a little bit of deciphering to match up the SNP designations but it’s a nice option to have, nevertheless. As YFull gives you an estimated timeline and FT gives you the scope of testers in their data base. Which is larger.


    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L205/


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    Good luck in your endeavors!
    Last edited by JMcB; 06-18-2019 at 03:44 AM.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1340 AD).

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    Yeah, I'm tapping into all the resources I can find. It's cool that there appear to be so few subclades below L205 and that one of them (Y15022) has a TMRCA of between 1050 and 250 years ago. I hope I end up there!
    Latest paper trail:
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    I came here looking for information on my haplogroup which is the same as yours - I-L205.1 My father's family is Southern Italian and came from Avigliano, Italy. Unfortunately, I can only trace them back to the early 1800's there. That being said, my surname (which is my username on here) is what would be considered a Lombard surname in Italy. The Lombard's conquered Italy in Medieval times and I'm guessing that my ancestor's were probably Lombard's from Germany that ended up in Italy. There's so much to learn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stolfi View Post
    I came here looking for information on my haplogroup which is the same as yours - I-L205.1 My father's family is Southern Italian and came from Avigliano, Italy. Unfortunately, I can only trace them back to the early 1800's there. That being said, my surname (which is my username on here) is what would be considered a Lombard surname in Italy. The Lombard's conquered Italy in Medieval times and I'm guessing that my ancestor's were probably Lombard's from Germany that ended up in Italy. There's so much to learn!
    Your haplogroup certainly suggests a Longobard origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    Your haplogroup certainly suggests a Longobard origin.
    Certainly looks that way. Lucky Stolfi. The Langobard/Longobard/Lombard origin myth is possibly the coolest ever.
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    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    Certainly looks that way. Lucky Stolfi. The Langobard/Longobard/Lombard origin myth is possibly the coolest ever.
    Thanks! I'm not sure if you know, but is there a Y-DNA test that will be more valuable for me (actually my brother) to take that might confirm the Lombard DNA? My haplogroup of I-L205.1 came from 23andme. My brother was tested with the new v5 chip. I just tried to join a couple of groups on FTDNA, but am trying to figure out how to save my 23andme raw data to a csv file.

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    Could Normans not also be a source for I-L205.1 in Italy?

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