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    Well I purchased a few markers on Yseq under PF7263 and I ended up being positive for BY38105. Does anyone know exactly what this means and where it's found?

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    BY38105 has been found in Cephalonia (Greece), Messina (Sicily), Iraq, Portugal and Norway if I recall correctly.
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    That's a crazy spread actually wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    BY38105 has been found in Cephalonia (Greece), Messina (Sicily), Iraq, Portugal and Norway if I recall correctly.
    Where does this marker come from?
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    I guess the question I have is, is it Semitic because everything seems so odd about PF7263 and I'll read people saying it's Jewish while others say it's not and it's very much confusing.

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    I have seen people try and link most PF7263 clades to Semitic peoples when explaining it's expansion, especially Jews. I assume it's because a few Jews have tested as PF7263+ as well as some Arabs from the Medina area, an area which had a large amount of Jews at one point in history. Though the group itself isn't of Semitic origin. Likely that it was a minor lineage that got absorbed by Proto-Semites, and may have come from somewhere in the Mesopotamia region. Maybe some PF7263 could've come into Europe earlier(Bronze-Iron Ages?).
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    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241

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    Interesting, I did read that the estimated origins for PF7263 was Anatolia but on so many other forums there's constant arguments over whether it's Semitic or not it's insane. I just know that based on my heritage being of BY38105 is quite interesting just seeing how spread around it is from Iraq all the way to Norway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 95K1ller View Post
    Interesting, I did read that the estimated origins for PF7263 was Anatolia but on so many other forums there's constant arguments over whether it's Semitic or not it's insane. I just know that based on my heritage being of BY38105 is quite interesting just seeing how spread around it is from Iraq all the way to Norway.
    Technically it isn't Semitic, but it was absorbed by Semitic speakers pretty early on I believe. It's origin should be around the Anatolia-Mesopotamia region.
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    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*

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    In the case of BY38105 how would that make its way around potentially because I do know that ZS10589 is usually the marker reported for Jewish and Arab testers.

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    This is why I all PF7263 treat as "Jews"

    1) PF7263 on Sardinia?- No problem, they are Phoenicians or descendants of 4000 Jews which Tiberius expelled from Rome
    2) PF7263 on Sicily? - Same thing, different island (in the matter of fact it's a little bit more complicated; some PF7263 are most probably Arvanites from South Albania)
    3) PF7263 in Iberian peninsula? - Jews of course
    4) PF7263 in Germany?- You know the answer
    5) 6) 7) PF7263 in Ukraine, Balkan etc?- same old, same old
    8) PF7263 in Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Iran?- captives resettled by Assyrians on the edges of Assyrian empire

    True is, we don't know much about origin of our ancestors. We don't have any ancient DNA. PF7263 don't appear in todays population on that territories, Palestinians, Jordanians etc, so the main tool for thinking about origin is temporary picture of today participants in different projects. It' not excellent, but I try to make as few mistakes as possible

    BY38105 most probably predate todays ethnic identification on the territories of Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria and this is why we can find this branch in different ethnic groups. We don't have more BigY results to make more precise trees

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