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    My Big-Y700 results from FTDNA, Northern Greek.

    This is the results I got from my Big-Y700. I am Northern Greek (Greek Macedonia) and my paternal ancestry is from Ivaylovgrad, Bulgaria.

    I have zero DNA matches and zero info on origins, on the FTDNA block tree.

    Anyways, apparently I am :

    R-M269 > R-L23 > R-Z2103 > R-L584 > R-PF7580 > R-Y19434 > R-A12332

    Other downstream participants, on the FTDNA trees, are:

    3 from Russian Federation.
    2 from Armenia.
    1 from Bulgaria.
    1 from Albania.

    Any comments or additional info, more than welcome!

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    Will you be uploading your BAM file into yfull? You're not alone there https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A12332/, although it's interesting that 4 individuals are on the A12332* branch with no TMRCA. Maybe they all belong to different and old subclades that are not too closely related to the others?
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    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>BY36857. Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Celtiberian,77.6
    Roman_Imperial_proxy,13.6
    Guanche,8.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    This is the results I got from my Big-Y700. I am Northern Greek (Greek Macedonia) and my paternal ancestry is from Ivaylovgrad, Bulgaria.

    I have zero DNA matches and zero info on origins, on the FTDNA block tree.

    Anyways, apparently I am :

    R-M269 > R-L23 > R-Z2103 > R-L584 > R-PF7580 > R-Y19434 > R-A12332

    Other downstream participants, on the FTDNA trees, are:

    3 from Russian Federation.
    2 from Armenia.
    1 from Bulgaria.
    1 from Albania.

    Any comments or additional info, more than welcome!
    Quite an interesting result. Over the last years it has become clear that almost all Z2103 on the Balkans belongs to the very recent BY611 cluster. So where are the Yamnaya/Steppe groups on the Balkans? They did bring a bunch of Indo-european languages afterall. L584 is becoming a nice candidate with samples from Bulgaria, Greece and Albania next to a bunch of Armenians and Iranians. Off course they could also have been younger. A lot of pontic Greeks are L584 and that could just represent Hellenisation of the local population. So it's nice to see it also in a Northern Greek.

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    I don't know if I am going to be uploading to YFULL. I see it costs money to do so, and I don't see the benefits. They also have a similar tree now on FTDNA, called Block Tree. They, also, updated their origins bracket with my results, now showing:

    Asia Minor 52.13%
    Southeast Europe 38.06%
    East Europe 6.79%
    Other (3 regions) 3.02%

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    I don't know if I am going to be uploading to YFULL. I see it costs money to do so, and I don't see the benefits. They also have a similar tree now on FTDNA, called Block Tree. They, also, updated their origins bracket with my results, now showing:

    Asia Minor 52.13%
    Southeast Europe 38.06%
    East Europe 6.79%
    Other (3 regions) 3.02%
    The difference is that yfull has testers besides just FTDNA. It's mostly a joint effort to advance study on our personal clades, which is why I uploaded mine
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>BY36857. Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
    Hidden Content


    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Celtiberian,77.6
    Roman_Imperial_proxy,13.6
    Guanche,8.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafc View Post
    Quite an interesting result. Over the last years it has become clear that almost all Z2103 on the Balkans belongs to the very recent BY611 cluster. So where are the Yamnaya/Steppe groups on the Balkans? They did bring a bunch of Indo-european languages afterall. L584 is becoming a nice candidate with samples from Bulgaria, Greece and Albania next to a bunch of Armenians and Iranians. Off course they could also have been younger. A lot of pontic Greeks are L584 and that could just represent Hellenisation of the local population. So it's nice to see it also in a Northern Greek.
    Aren't you the same guy who said he had access to the FTDNA database? You didn't mention at the time that the Balkan R1b haplotypes were mostly BY611. Of course so much of the FTDNA data do not exist in projects and are thus inaccessible to the best of my knowledge.
    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    Aren't you the same guy who said he had access to the FTDNA database? You didn't mention at the time that the Balkan R1b haplotypes were mostly BY611. Of course so much of the FTDNA data do not exist in projects and are thus inaccessible to the best of my knowledge.
    I think you mean the Genographic database, and yes, that was me. The Geno test has only a limited number of SNP's, so BY611-members show up in the Genographic database with a terminal SNP CTS1450/CTS9219 which is about as old as L584. As I explained above, over the last years it has become clear that most Balkan members belong to a group downstream of CTS1450 that is a lot more recent. Off course current distributions only say so much. I have no access to the FTDNA database beyond what I can see on public projects (or as admin in projects I administrate).

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    Interesting result. L584 in general seems to have a link with Armenian speakers, and so probably also with groups related to them. It seems to have originated among the Yamnaya. Wanted to point out that the sample from Albania actually isn't an ethnic Albanian, but an Aromanian from Voskopoje.
    Ftdna MyOrigins 2.0: 100% SE European

    23andme: 100% Balkan

    Geneplaza K25: 100% Greek-Albanian

    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS5856*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    I believe that your Armenian root can be much younger. Peter Charanis wrote a paper:"The transfer of population as a policy in the Byzantine empire", with interesting ideas about moving people through Byzantine empire, mostly to resettle abandoned territories on Balkan for strengthening Balkan borders, economic development and pacifying population. You must registered for free reading but I believe it will be very informative for you. In Serbia, we have some lineages with clear Armenian connection J1 PF7257, J1 Z2223 and I2c L596 (if I remember correct)

    Well, I tried to post a link but it looks like I?m not allowed to do that. So you just must google it. It's on the Jstor

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafc View Post
    I think you mean the Genographic database, and yes, that was me. The Geno test has only a limited number of SNP's, so BY611-members show up in the Genographic database with a terminal SNP CTS1450/CTS9219 which is about as old as L584. As I explained above, over the last years it has become clear that most Balkan members belong to a group downstream of CTS1450 that is a lot more recent. Off course current distributions only say so much. I have no access to the FTDNA database beyond what I can see on public projects (or as admin in projects I administrate).
    My mistake, yes it was, thanks for correcting my big oversight.
    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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