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    I thought I would give this a try (a newbie's attempt)
    G25 unscaled
    No penalty

    sample": "Custom:KM",

    "fit": 0.5727,
    "Irish": 54.17,
    "English": 45.83,

    "fit": 0.7068,
    "English": 51.67,
    "Scottish": 48.33,

    "fit": 0.743,
    "English": 73.33,
    "Welsh": 26.67,

    "fit": 0.7792,
    "English": 64.17,
    "Orcadian": 35.83,

    "fit": 0.8265,
    "English": 89.17,
    "Shetlandic": 10.83,

    "fit": 0.8299,
    "English": 89.17,
    "English_Cornwall": 10.83,

    "fit": 0.3475,
    "Dutch": 92.5,
    "English": 7.5,

    "fit": 0.4364,
    "German": 64.17,
    "English": 35.83,

    "fit": 0.5871,
    "English": 60,
    "German_East": 40,

    "fit": 0.7693,
    "English": 80,
    "Belgian": 20,

    "fit": 0.6939,
    "English": 70.83,
    "French_East": 29.17,

    "fit": 0.6506,
    "English": 53.33,
    "Swedish": 46.67,

    "fit": 0.7326,
    "English": 67.5,
    "Norwegian": 32.5,

    "fit": 0.749,
    "English": 77.5,
    "Icelandic": 22.5,

    fit": 0.7824,
    "English": 72.5,
    "French": 27.5,

    "fit": 0.5723,
    "English": 81.67,
    "Ukrainian": 18.33,

    "fit": 0.575,
    "English": 74.17,
    "Czech": 25.83,

    "fit": 0.5873,
    "English": 78.33,
    "Polish": 21.67,

    "fit": 0.6595,
    "English": 78.33,
    "Hungarian": 21.67,


    "fit": 0.2217,
    "Irish": 52.5,
    "German": 47.5,

    "fit": 0.2724,
    "Irish": 66.67,
    "Austrian": 33.33,

    "fit": 0.316,
    "Dutch": 70.83,
    "Irish": 29.17,



    "fit": 0.4364,
    "Irish": 54.17,
    "Swedish": 45.83,



    "fit": 0.2022,
    "Irish": 45,
    "German": 43.33,
    "English": 11.67

    "fit": 0.3151,
    "Dutch": 68.33,
    "Irish": 28.33,
    "English": 3.33

    "fit": 0.4152,
    "Irish": 47.5,
    "Swedish": 35.83,
    "English": 16.67,

    "fit": 0.5217,
    "Irish": 55,
    "English": 28.33,
    "French": 16.67,

    "fit": 0.2696,
    "Dutch": 58.33,
    "German": 30,
    "English": 11.67,

    "fit": 0.273,
    "Dutch": 68.33,
    "German": 25,
    "Swedish": 6.67,

    "fit": 0.3289
    "Dutch": 84.17,
    "Swedish": 10.83,
    "English": 5,

    "fit": 0.3674,
    "German": 52.5,
    "English": 26.67,
    "Swedish": 20.83,

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    My mostly-English and other Isles ancestry father in law. The panel hit almost all of the ancestral sources. I added a few more for the others for which there is some evidence:

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.7492,
    "English": 59.6,
    "Irish": 40.4

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.8087,
    "English_Cornwall": 53.6,
    "English": 46.4

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.8346,
    "English": 62.4,
    "Dutch": 37.6

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.8404,
    "English": 67.4,
    "Scottish": 32.6

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.8666,
    "English": 69.8,
    "German": 30.2

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.901,
    "English": 78.6,
    "French": 21.4

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.9147,
    "English": 69.2,
    "Orcadian": 30.8

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.943,
    "English": 84.2,
    "Shetlandic": 15.8

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.9578,
    "English": 66.8,
    "Icelandic": 33.2

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.9696,
    "English": 86.2,
    "Swedish": 13.8

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.9773,
    "English": 95.8,
    "Sephardic_Jew": 4.2

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.9833,
    "English": 97.8,
    "Yoruba": 2.2

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.9856,
    "English": 96.4,
    "Ashkenazi_Jew": 3.6

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.9877,
    "English": 82.8,
    "Norwegian": 17.2

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 0.9991,
    "English": 99.4,
    "Amerindian_North": 0.6

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 1.0139,
    "English": 98.8,
    "Welsh": 1.2

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 1.015,
    "English": 99.2,
    "Finnish": 0.8

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_Randwulf_fil",
    "fit": 1.0161,
    "English": 99.2,
    "Czech": 0.8
    Last edited by randwulf; 03-12-2019 at 11:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aroon1916 View Post
    I thought I would give this a try (a newbie's attempt)
    G25 unscaled
    No penalty

    sample": "Custom:KM",

    "fit": 0.5727,
    "Irish": 54.17,
    "English": 45.83,

    "fit": 0.7068,
    "English": 51.67,
    "Scottish": 48.33,

    "fit": 0.743,
    "English": 73.33,
    "Welsh": 26.67,

    "fit": 0.7792,
    "English": 64.17,
    "Orcadian": 35.83,

    "fit": 0.8265,
    "English": 89.17,
    "Shetlandic": 10.83,

    "fit": 0.8299,
    "English": 89.17,
    "English_Cornwall": 10.83,


    "fit": 0.3475,
    "Dutch": 92.5,
    "English": 7.5,


    "fit": 0.4364,
    "German": 64.17,
    "English": 35.83,

    "fit": 0.5871,
    "English": 60,
    "German_East": 40,

    "fit": 0.7693,
    "English": 80,
    "Belgian": 20,

    "fit": 0.6939,
    "English": 70.83,
    "French_East": 29.17,

    "fit": 0.6506,
    "English": 53.33,
    "Swedish": 46.67,

    "fit": 0.7326,
    "English": 67.5,
    "Norwegian": 32.5,

    "fit": 0.749,
    "English": 77.5,
    "Icelandic": 22.5,

    fit": 0.7824,
    "English": 72.5,
    "French": 27.5,

    "fit": 0.5723,
    "English": 81.67,
    "Ukrainian": 18.33,

    "fit": 0.575,
    "English": 74.17,
    "Czech": 25.83,

    "fit": 0.5873,
    "English": 78.33,
    "Polish": 21.67,

    "fit": 0.6595,
    "English": 78.33,
    "Hungarian": 21.67,...
    Interesting, like you, my best fit (lowest value) was also English and Dutch, and my worst fit (highest value) was also English and English_Cornwall

    English and everybody else.
    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 0.765
    English: 30.8
    Dutch: 69.2


    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.0102
    English: 47
    Orcadian: 53

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.1043
    English:66.6 66.6
    Swedish: 33.4 33.4

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.0433
    English: 64.6
    German: 35.4

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.1071
    English: 23.8
    Irish: 76.2

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.0733
    English: 60
    Icelandic 40

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.1624
    English: 41.2
    Scottish: 58.8

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit:
    English: 1.1757 92.8
    Finnish 7.2

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.1779
    English: 88.2
    Czech 11.8

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.2186
    English: 88.8
    German East: 11.2

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.2372
    English: 82
    Norwegian: 18

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.287
    English: 80.8
    Shetlandic: 19.2

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.3308
    English: 93.4
    Belgian 6.6

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.3342
    English: 89
    Welsh: 11

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.3323
    English: 95.8
    French East: 4.2

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.3414
    English: 99.6
    French: 0.4

    Custom:AGUser_Mitchell1893
    Fit: 1.3789
    English: 71.8
    English_Cornwall: 28.2
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 03-12-2019 at 02:03 AM.
    Y-DNA R-Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    Ancestry: 37% English, 26% Scot/Ulster Scot, 14% Welsh, 14% German 3% Ireland, 3% Nordic, 2% French & Dutch, 1% India

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    I tried various combinations of 3 way populations. The best fits I've found so far have Dutch and German as two of the 3 and English or Irish as the 3rd:
    I'm using 25% Filter, 1000 nMonte cycles, and 500 nMonte batches, nMonte penalty .001

    Fit: 0.7493
    Dutch: 56.2
    English: 31.4
    German: 12.4

    Fit: .7736
    Dutch: 40.6
    German: 13.8
    Irish: 45.6

    Fit: .7901
    Dutch: 47.8
    English: 12
    Irish: 40.2

    All 4 together doesn't have a better fit than Dutch, English, German
    Fit: .7592
    Dutch: 38.2
    English: 12.2
    German: 11.4
    Irish: 38.2
    Y-DNA R-Z49>Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I tried various combinations of 3 way populations. The best fits I've found so far have Dutch and German as two of the 3 and English or Irish as the 3rd:
    I'm using 25% Filter, 1000 nMonte cycles, and 500 nMonte batches, nMonte penalty .001

    Fit: 0.7493
    Dutch: 56.2
    English: 31.4

    W/O Irish:
    "fit": 0.2696,
    "Dutch": 58.33,
    "German": 30,
    "English": 11.67,
    German: 12.4

    Fit: .7736
    Dutch: 40.6
    German: 13.8
    Irish: 45.6

    Fit: .7901
    Dutch: 47.8
    English: 12
    Irish: 40.2

    All 4 together doesn't have a better fit than Dutch, English, German
    Fit: .7592
    Dutch: 38.2
    English: 12.2
    German: 11.4
    Irish: 38.2
    Very interesting. Mine is from above (pen=0)

    "fit": 0.2022,
    "Irish": 45,
    "German": 43.33,
    "English": 11.67

    "fit": 0.3151,
    "Dutch": 68.33,
    "Irish": 28.33,
    "English": 3.33

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aroon1916 View Post
    Very interesting. Mine is from above (pen=0)

    "fit": 0.2022,
    "Irish": 45,
    "German": 43.33,
    "English": 11.67

    "fit": 0.3151,
    "Dutch": 68.33,
    "Irish": 28.33,
    "English": 3.33
    And without Irish:

    "fit": 0.2696,
    "Dutch": 58.33,
    "German": 30,
    "English": 11.67,

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    Just to compare apples to apples. Mine with penalty =0, 25% filter, 1000 cycles, 500 batches

    Fit 0.5153
    Dutch 34.4
    English 9.8
    German 38.4
    Irish 17.4

    Fit 0.525
    Dutch 34.4
    German 40.8
    Irish 24.8

    Fit 0.5675
    Dutch 45.4
    English 26.2
    German 28.4

    Fit 0.6143
    Dutch 65.6
    English 13.8
    Irish 20.6

    Fit 0.6683
    English 20.8
    German 43.4
    Irish 35.8

    Icelandic works a little better than English
    Fit 0.5148
    Dutch 31.2
    German 38.6
    Icelandic 10.6
    Irish 19.6

    Of course I have lots of known English ancestry, and no Icelandic (and very little Dutch)
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 03-12-2019 at 01:18 PM.
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    Some 3 population models. Unscaled 1000/500 default 25 filter

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.5257,
    "Irish": 68.6,
    "Icelandic": 23,
    "Dutch": 8.4,


    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.5025,
    "Irish": 48.2,
    "Scottish": 44,
    "Icelandic": 7.8,


    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.5001,
    "Scottish": 48.4,
    "Irish": 46.8,
    "Dutch": 4.8

    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.4539,
    "Irish": 54.2,
    "English": 38.8,
    "Dutch": 7,


    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.5857,
    "Scottish": 60.2,
    "English": 32.4,
    "Dutch": 7.4,


    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.4803,
    "Irish": 56.2,
    "English": 38.2,
    "Icelandic": 5.6,



    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.6651,
    "English": 59.8,
    "Icelandic": 25,
    "Dutch": 15.2


    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.4704,
    "Irish": 56.4,
    "English": 36.8,
    "Norwegian": 6.8,





    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.6103,
    "Scottish": 58,
    "English": 33.4,
    "Icelandic": 8.6,


    sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.497,
    "Irish": 49.4,
    "Scottish": 45.2,
    "Norwegian": 5.4



    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.612,
    "Scottish": 64.2,
    "English": 33.6,
    "Norwegian": 2.2





    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.6856,
    "English": 70.6,
    "Dutch": 18.4,
    "Norwegian": 11,


    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.5371,
    "Irish": 75.2,
    "Norwegian": 15.4,
    "Dutch": 9.4,




    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.6271,
    "Scottish": 88.4,
    "Dutch": 10,
    "Norwegian": 1.6,


    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.6639,
    "Scottish": 84,
    "Icelandic": 14.2,
    "Norwegian": 1.8




    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.7085,
    "English": 69.2,
    "Icelandic": 23.8,
    "Norwegian": 7



    "sample": "Custom:AGUser_firemonkey",
    "fit": 0.5413,
    "Irish": 71.6,
    "Icelandic": 20.2,
    "Norwegian": 8.2,
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    When I use my known ancestry I get worse fits.
    I have known Scottish/Ulster Scot and Welsh ancestry (together they are over 40% of my known ancestry) but Irish works better than Scottish, and Welsh is usually no help. Maybe it’s because they are so few Welsh samples in global25
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 03-12-2019 at 04:01 PM.
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    This is with 25 filter & pen=0. Yes, I need to become a member as I can't change the cycles & batches (default)

    "sample": "Custom:KM",
    "fit": 0.1721,
    "Irish": 44.17,
    "German": 34.17,
    "Dutch": 19.17,
    "English": 2.5,

    "fit": 0.2019,
    "Irish": 45.83,
    "German": 44.17,
    "English": 10,
    "Scottish": 0,

    "fit": 0.2687,
    "Dutch": 55.83,
    "German": 30.83,
    "English": 6.67,
    "Scottish": 6.67,

    "fit": 0.172,
    "Irish": 40,
    "German": 35.83,
    "Dutch": 24.17,
    "Scottish": 0,

    "fit": 0.1739,
    "Irish": 40.83,
    "German": 36.67,
    "Dutch": 22.5,
    "Welsh": 0,

    And from Ireland & the British Isles:
    "fit": 0.5651,
    "Irish": 46.67,
    "English": 41.67,
    "Welsh": 6.67,
    "Orcadian": 5,

    "fit": 0.7229,
    "Irish": 55.83,
    "Welsh": 17.5,
    "English_Cornwall": 13.33,
    "Orcadian": 13.33,

    "fit": 0.5597,
    "English": 47.5,
    "Irish": 43.33,
    "Scottish": 9.17,
    "English_Cornwall": 0,

    "fit": 0.5682,
    "Irish": 50,
    "English": 42.5,
    "Welsh": 7.5,
    "English_Cornwall": 0,

    "fit": 0.5581,
    "English": 45.83,
    "Irish": 41.67,
    "Scottish": 8.33,
    "Welsh": 4.17,

    And a 'so called' Celtic fringe:
    "fit": 0.6989,
    "Irish": 44.17,
    "English_Cornwall": 23.33,
    "Scottish": 17.5,
    "Welsh": 15,

    This is very interesting and I will do some other tests later. On the surface of things, my English looks very Dutch & German. Can see that Channel, North Sea and Irish Sea interaction

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