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    ZEUS and altai petroglyph

    *Dyḗus Ph2tḗr (lit. "sky father") > Deus or Ancient Greek Zeus > ancient chinese Tees > modern chinese Di(帝, lord)

    So zeus means “sky”

    1. A chinese character, Tian (means sky) seems to be originate in an altai petroglyph.

    origin of 天:

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%A4%A9

    Altai petroglyph:
    https://cogniarchae.com/2016/11/06/t...headed-figure/

    2. So is this ancient Greek person zeus?


    Fig 4. The warrior burials at grave circle B at Mycenae, with Avila type II spearheads.
    https://adnaera.com/2018/11/17/the-b...age-in-europe/

    Unlike the Yangshao and Hemudu people, who came from southern China, the Huang Di nation came from west of China, from the western part of the Eurasian continent. They conquered the native people of the Yellow River and the Yangtze River, who possessed a developed agricultural culture. By combining their own imported cultural factors with those of the native culture, the Huang Di people gradually developed a splendid new civilization in the Xia, Shang, and Zhou dynasties. They superseded the original native people to take the leading role on the stage of Chinese history. That the Huang Di nation was a branch of the archaic Indo-European people is one of the most remarkable facts thus far known to human history. But a large number of Indo-European words in Old Chinese language clearly attest to this fact. The relics left by the Huang Di people are related to the Longshan Culture in the archaeological chronicle, and the civilization of the Xia, Shang, Zhou, and Qin秦 dynasties were its successors.27 Evidence for this claim comes from two sources: the first uses the evidence of ancient documents to show that the Zhou people, and thus the Yellow Emperor’s nation, were originally a nomadic people, and the second is to reveal that there were a large number of Indo-European words in the Zhou language, using the evidence of historical linguistics. The third is the similarity in religion between the Huang Di people and Proto-Indo-European. As to the last point, please refer to the author’s paper “Old Chinese ‘帝*tees’ and Proto-Indo-European ‘*deus’: Similarity in Religious Ideas and a Common Source in Linguistics” (Zhou 2005).

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    Zeus = Indra =chinese Di(Lord)



    Alain Thote, "Chinese coffins from the first millennium B.C. and early images of the afterworld," Res: Anthropology and aesthetics61-62 (Spring-Autumn 2012): 22-40.

    https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/do...urnalCode=res&

    Anthropomorph in 2000 BC Sanauli, IVC



    1. Looks like seima turbino went to IVC area
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....417#post550417 (3598)

    2. ST culture already entered ancient china:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....657#post554657

    3. of course, the ST approached to Balkan:


    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_289671485

    => So far 1 Q was found in seima turbino, which seemed not to be Ural people. They have snake culture along with OKunevo and malta. Any archaeologist did not mention the other steppe cultures have snake culture. The snake culture is extremely important in Hindu, which means creation, sun’s ray and so fire cult as far as I know. It is an upper concept in siberian shamanism, maybe also Hindu. Moreover, recently I knew that 10% south indians have m73 in this forum.
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    scythian Zeus?



    A Scythian skeleton in the Cherkasy Oblast Regional Studies Museum

    - not related?




    - looks like persian with scythian hat and Greek with Pazyryk-hairmode gear(or mohawk style),
    and the ring sword.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazyry...ikHorseman.JPG

    - is there any possibility of greek blonze royals to have east asian admixture like cimmerian?
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    I believe some of the client kings of the Greek kingdom of the Cimmerian Bosporan were of mixed Greek, Thracian, Scythian/Sarmatian and Persian origins.

    Ancient peoples clearly had some knowledge of their neighbours and I imagine the various mythologies of these ancient cultures trace their roots to an earlier time in humanity and they evolved as the moved around the world with each descending branch of the human family tree.

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    Meanders are common decorative elements in Greek and Roman art. In ancient Greece they appear in many architectural friezes, and in bands on the pottery of ancient Greece from the Geometric Period onwards. The design is common to the present-day in classicizing architecture. The meander is a fundamental design motif in regions far from a Hellenic orbit: labyrinthine meanders ("thunder" pattern[3]) appear in bands and as infill on Shang bronzes, and many traditional buildings in and around China still bear geometric designs almost identical to meanders
    where did the Greek patterns originate in?




    shang in china bronze:


    http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/.../37149174.html



    These new observations suggest that the distribution of metal spearheads from the Seima-Turbino Culture to northern China represents the diffusion and spread of the metallurgical technique. From the metallurgical perspective in particular, the bronze casting of spearheads indicates the origin of piece-mould casting and core-casting technology, which influenced the bronze vessel casting method in China. We therefore suggest that the early Chinese metallurgy of the Lower Xiajiadian Culture in the western Liao River area can be linked to the Seima-Turbino Culture; this technique had spread from the Altai Mountain area to northern China via the Taosi Culture. After spreading to the Lower Xiajiadian Culture, it finally arrived at the Qijia Culture of Qinghai and Gansu provinces in the west

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...43956F2EDB4A28
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    I think greek bronze and china bronze really had same concept of sunhead culture, and Indra not difference at all. It means they had a same root.


    : maybe firebird and 12 sun's rays (12 monnth?)

    How many dreadlocks did one Greek royal have? 7 or 12?


    https://www.bowers.org/index.php/vis...-figure-list-1




    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_15339234.htm

    Helios in his chariot


    Colossus of Rhodes, artist's impression, 1880




    Is this a different concept?



    P.s: Figure 6. Aztec god Tlaloc depicted carrying a lightning axe like Zeus or Indra

    12 feathers?

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/arti...pon-war-008467
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    what are they doing?
    carefully see theirs hands.





    Bronze figurine of man from the Sanctuary in Phylakopi, Late Helladic III C period, Mycenaean culture,


    Sanctuary of Artemis Orthia, Sparta
    https://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/col.../places/sparta
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    Mycenaean shield and looks like males have one long braid as Aryan and china bronze:



    I am positively sure by artifacts that the copper Hoard culture is not related with IVC, but steppe, especially seima turbino. they would bring Indra concept over there:

    Copper Hoard Culture describe find-complexes which occur in the northern part of the Indian subcontinent. These occur mostly in hoards large and small and are believed to date to the later 2nd millennium BCE

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_Hoard_Culture

    like one braid of the above geometric vase, maybe bare head like Aryan and china bronze also:

    https://www.classics.ox.ac.uk/collective-rituals

    One long braid at china bronze:
    https://www.chinadailyhk.com/attachm...0_auto_jpg.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    1. Looks like seima turbino went to IVC area
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....417#post550417 (3598)

    2. ST culture already entered ancient china:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....657#post554657

    3. of course, the ST approached to Balkan:


    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_289671485

    => So far 1 Q was found in seima turbino, which seemed not to be Ural people. They have snake culture along with OKunevo and malta. Any archaeologist did not mention the other steppe cultures have snake culture. The snake culture is extremely important in Hindu, which means creation, sun’s ray and so fire cult as far as I know. It is an upper concept in siberian shamanism, maybe also Hindu. Moreover, recently I knew that 10% south indians have m73 in this forum.
    Did seima turbino culture land on British isles? Who brought it over there?
    Is it possible that british people started to speak IE since then?


    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...efacts-3407818

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    symbol on her face:



    okunevo symbol at the bottom of pottery:



    kalash also, so the kalash symbol from altai:



    http://www.hinduhumanrights.info/pak...th-by-taliban/
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