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    Quote Originally Posted by Menchaca View Post
    This sample wouldn't be the same as ESP005 from Cueva de los Lagos, right?

    As you can see from Ytree.net, a very prolific subclade of BY15964 made it to Mexico where descendants bearing the Garza and Falcon surnames are specially abundant in the northeastern part of the country, where I live. By the way, my mother's surname is Falcˇn.
    The spreadsheet says this is the first study this sample has appeared in. It is attributed to Cogotas I Culture.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    Harvard was nice enough to give me access to the raw data until ENA figures out the issue with the data downloads. Below is what I came up with for new samples that were at least R1b1a1. The first line is the sample followed by the position and then the SNP itself. All SNPs that had obvious conflicts above it I removed. I kept some that had conflicts from unreliable positions (like those on the palindrome who's position is not stable). Also, in some cases, we could be seeing some subclades that were not fully developed.

    EHU002 This is still P312, but I put it here because it is the oldest Iberian sample and folks likely wanted to know if it had any positive calls.
    P312+ DF19- L238- Z290- L21- DF99? DF27? Z195? ZZ12? U152? L2?

    I4563
    RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>Z195/S355>Z198>PH1909 > BY36372

    I3494
    22024379 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>BY3332

    I6470
    19736631 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12
    21763296 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>Y30814 FGC33092

    I10939 P312+ DF27? ZZ12? A6387? A11632?
    18758157 Y73983 RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>A11632
    BUT Negative for 22466018 BY43924 RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>A11632 which is a bad spot

    I1312
    17922066 = Z195-S227 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>Z195/S227

    I3324
    7571621 S450-Z268 RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>Z195/S355>Z272>S450

    I3756
    8762842 = Z33440 RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    But ancestral for all of these:
    22264171 = UNNAMED = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    22457955 = BY177755 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    22473183 = BY53059 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    22479868 = BY44034 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    8502215 = BY73464 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519

    I12209
    21380200 = DF27-S250 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250
    15564015 BY15965-Y32224 RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>BY15964
    But ancestral for : 22255193 UNNAMED RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>BY15964 which is in a bad spot

    This sample is interesting because it is positive for rare subclade of P312 which is R-BY25512, which has only been found in two men of British ancestry. From it's age, it looks like it is from the Visigoth era of the cemetery:

    I3585
    8473520 = Y47377-BY25512 = RM269>P312/S116>BY25512

    I8209
    5755550 = L2-S139 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>U152/S28>L2/S139


    I3576
    13681707 = BY35080 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>BY3332>PH4023
    22281401 = UNNAMED = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>BY3332>PH4023 (9 ancestral reads, but may not be stable becuase of palindrome position)
    19188900 = PH4318 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>BY3332>PH4023>BY35077 (3 positive reads)

    I3582
    8456571 = PF7595-Z211-S358 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>Z195/S355>Z272>S450>Z295/S1217>ZZ77>Z216
    Ancestral, bad position = Z29665 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>Z195/S355>Z272>S450>Z295/S1217>ZZ77>Z216
    Ancestral, bad position = BY30494 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>Z195/S355>Z272>S450

    I8206
    21930315 = L165-S68 RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>Z195/S355>Z198>L165/S68
    Ancestral, bad position = 25934325 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>Z195/S355>Z198>L165/S68

    I10895 <<< U106 Sample
    8796078 = S21-M405-U106 = RM269>U106/S21
    7246726 = S263-Z381 = RM269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263
    22566768 = S1667-AM00488-Z8161 = RM269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>S264/Z156>Z305
    13840010 = FGC44886 = RM269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>S264/Z156>Z305>Z307>F44875
    23165645 = S1911 = RM269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>S264/Z156>Z305>Z307>S265/Z304>~22365047>S1911

    I1836 L152
    22286799 = ZZ11_1 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11

    I3496 P310
    8484788 = Y16965-BY3208 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>Z195/S355>Z198>ZS312>Y16965

    I'll check some more during the next few days if I can, especially the three that the paper already labeled as DF27 and the I2a1-M26 sample.
    For the three already determined to be DF27 by Olalde:

    I3320
    Nothing additional

    VAD001 - the R1b1a1a2a1a2a5:Z225 call is confirmed as he is also positive for 8469661:
    S359-Z229-V2059 RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>ZZ39>Z229

    I3997
    Nothing additional
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    I10939 P312+ DF27? ZZ12? A6387? A11632?
    18758157 Y73983 RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>A11632
    BUT Negative for 22466018 BY43924 RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>A11632 which is a bad spot

    I3756
    8762842 = Z33440 RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    But ancestral for all of these:
    22264171 = UNNAMED = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    22457955 = BY177755 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    22473183 = BY53059 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    22479868 = BY44034 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    8502215 = BY73464 = RM269>P312/S116>Z40481>ZZ11>DF27/S250>ZZ12>A6387>BY61519
    A6387 is my subclade but I'm not in those branches (A11632 or BY61519), which until now only had people with British ancestry.

    http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php...623&star=false
    Father's mtDNA: T1a1
    Maternal YDNA: R-L21 Z251

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    This is my branch at YFull:

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y17224/

    We didn't move much in 4000 years, did we? Except for someone who decided to go to England.
    Father's mtDNA: T1a1
    Maternal YDNA: R-L21 Z251

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    Harvard was nice enough to give me access to the raw data until ENA figures out the issue with the data downloads. Below is what I came up with for new samples that were at least R1b1a1. The first line is the sample followed by the position and then the SNP itself. All SNPs that had obvious conflicts above it I removed. I kept some that had conflicts from unreliable positions (like those on the palindrome who's position is not stable). Also, in some cases, we could be seeing some subclades that were not fully developed.



    I10895 <<< U106 Sample
    8796078 = S21-M405-U106 = RM269>U106/S21
    7246726 = S263-Z381 = RM269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263
    22566768 = S1667-AM00488-Z8161 = RM269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>S264/Z156>Z305
    13840010 = FGC44886 = RM269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>S264/Z156>Z305>Z307>F44875
    23165645 = S1911 = RM269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>S264/Z156>Z305>Z307>S265/Z304>~22365047>S1911


    I'll check some more during the next few days if I can, especially the three that the paper already labeled as DF27 and the I2a1-M26 sample.
    Thanks for that!!!!... concerning the U106 sample if the calls are correct etc - I10895 is DF98+ and also S1911+ which Dr. Iain and I and others share under DF98 etc... I'll have to go look up the context for this burial...

    Cheers,
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    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Ireland, Scandinavia and Hungary - T2b female warrior Grave Bj 581 near Birka, Sweden. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    Can you check Empuries J samples and i4246 n.african-like outlier from Camino de las Yeseras?

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    Anyone know where I can find a bit of info on the samples/burials from The necropolis of Sant JuliÓ de Ramis where they found sample I10895? The supplement text doesn't give any info on the burial etc...

    Edit: Found this bit in a paper: were some of these burials Visigothic???: "The first large Visigothic necropolis in eastern Tarracon-ensis was found in SarriÓ de Ter (Girona, Spain) between 2004and 2006. It is composed of 58 burials with typically Germanictrousseaux and ornamental objects (buckles, fixtures, brooches...). The existence of this necropolis must be discussed inrelation to the proximity of the city of Gerunda, of the ViaAugusta and the castellum of Late Antiquity discovered re-cently in the neighbouring town of Sant JuliÓ de Ramis."
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    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Ireland, Scandinavia and Hungary - T2b female warrior Grave Bj 581 near Birka, Sweden. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    Got a request for any Spanish speakers... I can't copy and paste this to translate it, but I'm trying to see if this paper has the samples from the The necropolis of Sant JuliÓ de Ramis site where sample I10895/SJR'15-1828 same from... I think it's the necropolis of Les Goges? this paper here might have info: http://cultura.gencat.cat/web/.conte...98_web.pdf.pdf
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania (most likely German) - Sergeant in US 17th Infantry, War of 1812: R1b-U106-Z381-Z156-Z305/306/307-Z304-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Ireland, Scandinavia and Hungary - T2b female warrior Grave Bj 581 near Birka, Sweden. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox79 View Post
    Got a request for any Spanish speakers... I can't copy and paste this to translate it, but I'm trying to see if this paper has the samples from the The necropolis of Sant JuliÓ de Ramis site where sample I10895/SJR'15-1828 same from... I think it's the necropolis of Les Goges? this paper here might have info: http://cultura.gencat.cat/web/.conte...98_web.pdf.pdf
    It is in Catalan, not in Spanish. Honest mistake.

    This is a better paper on the Visigoth weapons from the sites of Sant JuliÓ de Ramis and nearby Puig Rom. Some nice drawings too:

    https://www.academia.edu/2198032/San...ste_peninsular
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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