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    E-BY5787 (E-V13 subclade) in the Arabian Gulf?

    How did an E-V13+ lineage get to the Arabian Gulf among ethnic Arabs?

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY5787/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y16729/

    It is grouped along with a Balkan and West European clade.

    Is this evidence of white slavery in Arabia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    How did an E-V13+ lineage get to the Arabian Gulf among ethnic Arabs?

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY5787/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y16729/

    It is grouped along with a Balkan and West European clade.

    Is this evidence of white slavery in Arabia?
    "The small presence of E-V13 in the Near East could be better explained by the extremely long Greek presence in the eastern Mediterranean from the time of Alexander the Great until the end of the Byzantine domination over the region during the Middle Ages."
    eupedia says!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaar View Post
    "The small presence of E-V13 in the Near East could be better explained by the extremely long Greek presence in the eastern Mediterranean from the time of Alexander the Great until the end of the Byzantine domination over the region during the Middle Ages."
    eupedia says!.

    Hmm, probably right.

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    The white slavery in the Arab Caliphate was 80% female oriented(we all know for what kind of purposes), and is very unlikely that a slave would found a very successful founding lineage that today would carry many Arabs from the Eastern Arabian peninsula, from Saudi Arabia to Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Kuwait unless it was some high rank official that was captured in battle and granted freedom and life in the kingdom!

    There are two important factors here, the TMRCA, which is 1650 ybp if we follow YFULL and the place of distribution, which is solely the Eastern Coast of the Arabian peninsula which was historically ruled for a long time by the Persians and the Sasanian Empire!

    1650 ybp is 350 AD, the time of the Eastern Roman Empire, which should not be confused with the Byzantine Greeks but this Empire was very much ruled by people of Thraco-Illyrian Balkan origin such as Galerius or Justinian!
    Not to mention that much of the human resources in the army were coming from the Balkans and specifically the Thraco-Illyrians!

    It is more reasonable to say that this lineage among the Arabs was founded by Non-Greek Balkan people such as the Thracians or Illyrians just because Y16729 is not really present among the Greeks, no Greek as of yet has been identified with this SNP, but can be found among the Bulgarians, Macedonians and Aromanians!

    An interesting event that can be possibly connected is the The Battle of Edessa in which whole army of the Romans together with the emperor Valerian was captured by the Sasanians!

    Some scholars claim Shapur sent Valerian and some of his army to the city of Bishapur, where they lived in relatively good conditions. Shapur used the remaining soldiers in engineering and development plans, as the Romans were skilled tradesmen and artisans. Band-e Kaisar (Caesar's dam) is one of the remnants of Roman engineering located near the ancient city of Susa.

    According to another source (Lactantius), Shapur humiliated Valerian, using the former emperor as a human stepping-stool while mounting his horse. He was reportedly kept in cage and was humiliated for the Persian Emperor's pleasure, according to Aurelius Victor. Upon his death, Valerian's body was allegedly skinned and stuffed with, depending on which account, manure or straw, to produce a trophy of Roman submission preserved in a Persian temple.

    However, there are also accounts that stipulate he was treated with respect, and that allegations of torture may have been fabricated by Christian historians of the Late Antiquity to show the perils that befell persecutors of Christianity.

    Following Valerian's capture, Shapur took the city of Caesarea and deported some 400,000 of its citizens to the southern provinces of the Sassanian Empire. He then raided Cilicia, but he was finally repulsed by a Roman force that was rallied by Macrianus, Callistus and Odenathus of Palmyra. Macrianus proclaimed his sons Macrianus and Quietus as Emperors while in the Balkans; Ingenuus and Regalianus revolted too, only to be defeated by an army sent by Gallienus, the son of the captured Emperor Valerian
    The Roman army, no Greeks in it as usual as the Romans didn't consider the Greeks as good soldiers:

    Valerian Caesar marched against us, and he had had with him, from [Magna] Germania (Germān-šahr), Raetia (Rešyā-šahr), Noricum (Nirkos-šahr), Dacia (Dākyā-šahr), Moesia (Mūsyā-šahr), Istria (Estriyā-šahr), Hispania (Espāniyā-šahr), Africa (Afrikiyā-šahr), Thracia (Trākyā-šahr), Bithynia (Butniyā-šahr), Asia (Āsiyā-šahr), Pamphylia (Pamfaliyā-šahr), Isauria (Esuriyā-šahr), Lycaonia (Lūkunyā-šahr), Galatia (Galātenyā-šahr), Cilicia (Kilikiyā-šahr), Cappadocia (Kappadukiyā-šahr), Phrygia (Frūgiyā-šahr), Syria (Sūriyā-šahr), Phoenicia (Funikiyā-šahr), Judaea (Jehūdiyā-šahr), Arabia (Arabiyā-šahr), Mauretania (Murin-šahr), Germania (Germānyā-šahr) [the province], Rhodes (Rodās-šahr), Osrhoene (Asenyos-šahr), and Mesopotamia (Meyānrōdān-šahr) an army of 70 000 men." —Res Gestae Divi Saporis
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