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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    As did I -- now there is a new currently all-Lebanese subclade of J2a1a1g ... the match is with a (new?) academic sample, so either a fairly close relative, or it's also me from somewhere else and the snake is eating its own tail


    Edit: Well, it says they are from Lebanon [collected there or just MDKA there?], so perhaps a relative still in the old country?

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0190169
    In the study, the person is still listed as J2a1a1a
    It’s really interesting you found another Lebanese tester with the same mtDNA, Maybe you and I and others can get closer to where our maternal lines originate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgdavies@hotmail.com View Post
    It’s really interesting you found another Lebanese tester with the same mtDNA, Maybe you and I and others can get closer to where our maternal lines originate.
    Wouldn't that be nice? If only the full mtDNA tests were cheaper, maybe we'd have a few thousand more samples to play with.

    So far, to my knowledge, the ancient samples for J2a1a1 subclades have just appeared in Neolithic/Chalcolithic Iberia and Hungary/Baden culture. But it really moved out and around after that.

    See pp.15-16
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    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    I decided to bite the bullet and give this a go. The C72T! SNP seems to be classed as haplogroup V-c* now. That's pretty exciting.

    I should also ask, what does the asterisk mean at the end of the haplogroup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalkanKiwi View Post
    I decided to bite the bullet and give this a go. The C72T! SNP seems to be classed as haplogroup V-c* now. That's pretty exciting.

    I should also ask, what does the asterisk mean at the end of the haplogroup?

    I think it means it’s Novel, under V-C, and has not been given a haplogroup, I see there are many kits which are together under this asterix, so maybe it will get further split and assigned new Haplogroups very soon?
    That’s my best shot. I could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgdavies@hotmail.com View Post
    I think it means it’s Novel, under V-C, and has not been given a haplogroup, I see there are many kits which are together under this asterix, so maybe it will get further split and assigned new Haplogroups very soon?
    That’s my best shot. I could be wrong.
    I agree. I initially thought it might just be a place holder as such until they get more "samples", then split them further. It's still nice to be more than just C72T! now though
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    I think you're right - the kits in my new branch J1c1b2b were in J1c1b2* yesterday along with two other kits that have remained in J1c1b2*. Presumably no asterisk on a subclade (see parallel branch J1c1b2a for example) means that the SNPs a person has match those that define a haplogroup exactly without any extra private SNPs, while those with an asterisk mean that the samples under that branch do have extra private SNP mutations. Once they're considered to be ok for phylogeny and found in more than one sample, form a new subclade. Not sure how many samples are required to form a new subclade (I think I remember reading that Phylotree required three different samples) and not sure if there's a filter on some SNPs that won't be counted for these purposes. James Lick's mthap tool scores some mt SNPs as non-phylogenetic: "These are markers which occur too often or change too quickly to be considered useful for determining ancestry, and are not used for scoring. They are currently: 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C 522- 523- 524- 16182C 16183C 16193.1C 16193.2C 16519C".

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    Delete. Just noticed that deadly77 something similar to what I said about asterisk people having novels that may form branches in the future but there are no testers in the database at the moment who share these novels.
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    Paternal ancestor (Y): Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (Uí Maine)
    Father's mtDNA: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon (H27e)
    Maternal ancestor (mt): McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    Paternal great grandfather (mt): Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)

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    Yes, asterisk means that is as far down as they can get you on the tree at the moment. You are part of a group which has subclades, you just don't fit into any of them. Yfull seems to create a new subclade when a second sample appears that is reasonably similar to one of the asterisk ones.

    That's what we have seen happen with Y, and the same seems to be happening with their mtree. (We've had Y and now mt samples which previously had asterisk status go into newly named subclades.) I've been a plain T2b or T2b* for years, now at Yfull I'm suddenly T2b46, as I match (more or less) a research sample. On the other hand we have a D1* which remains unique.
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    Hello everyone,

    I just received my YFull yDNA analysis today and jumped in and uploaded my mtDNA FASTA file from FTDNA to see if they could come up with a more refined subclade. In less than an hour they had me categorized and placed on the new MTree! Wow - that was quick.

    So FTDNA had me designated as a T2b24, My YFull designation on the MTree is now T2b24b, so it looks like they could further refine my placement to a subclade 1 step lower!

    This is a screenshot of my placement on the new MTree at YFull
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    I guess I also lucked out in that they seem to have a ton of Danish samples and my maternal line is 100% Danish.

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    I finally did this for my dad and myself. My dad's is the same as his full mtDNA analysis at FTDNA -- K2b1a1a (no extra mutations). It's a pretty big group on FTDNA, and the estimate on formation is 6400 YBP, with TMRCA 3400. 0 distance matches on FTDNA are mainly English, but there are also several Scandinavians and it also seems to exist in northern Germany and Russia (but with Scandinavian seeming to be the most prominent other source). Fewer matches on mTree now, with the only non American ancestries given Finland and Russia (and now my dad's England).

    Mine has far fewer matches on FTDNA, and is more defined on mTree -- it went from K2b2 to K2b2a*. The mTree has K2b2 forming about 12800 YBP, with the TMRCA at 11300 YBP (and yet on FTDNA it's a really small group). With the refinement to K2b2a, the formation is about 11300 YBP and the TMRCA at 7200 YBP. Two of us are K2b2a*, but presumably that means we both have extra mutations, but different ones.

    (I have three 0 GD matches on FTDNA, and one who has all my mutations plus an additional one, so perhaps I will try to explain to them what mTree is and why they should sign up.)

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