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    Smile My 23andme and Eurogenes Admix test results!

    Hi everyone,

    Let me introduce myself,

    I'm Wulf. I took an interest in my ancestry some several months back for personal reasons, and am interested to find my roots, genetic/ethnic background.

    I received my 23andme results earlier this year, but it wasn't until yesterday I looked into the Gedmatch admixture analysis, it really confuses me though. I'm just no good at DNA/Genealogy and would love help interpreting my results.

    As far as I'm aware and have traced, my ancestry is for the most part, English. I have 1 Great Grandfather who was a Catholic Polish, and he came over to England just prior to World War 2. Interestingly enough, the East European's minimal, I'm not sure what that means but I seem to have more South European than East European.

    Here are my 23andme results, I edited out my name, cause well, privacy reasons I guess.

    Speculative Results,
    Speculative.jpg
    Standard results,
    Standard.jpg

    When I run them through Gedmatch Eurogene's K36, Eutest V2 and Jtest, these are my results.

    EUTEST V2

    EU V2 Test.jpg

    Oracle;

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 44.44
    2 Atlantic 20.61
    3 Baltic 9.26
    4 West_Med 8.88
    5 Eastern_Euro 7.77
    6 West_Asian 4.88
    7 Red_Sea 1.3
    8 Amerindian 0.77
    9 East_Med 0.64
    10 Oceanian 0.49
    11 Northeast_African 0.42
    12 Siberian 0.38
    13 South_Asian 0.15

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Orcadian 7.2
    2 Norwegian 7.5
    3 Dutch 8.69
    4 Swedish 8.71
    5 Danish 10.67
    6 West_Scottish 10.81
    7 Southwest_English 10.98
    8 Southeast_English 11.24
    9 Irish 11.38
    10 German 12.26
    11 North_Swedish 12.33
    12 French 16.72
    13 Southwest_Finnish 19.65
    14 Hungarian 21.13
    15 Finnish 21.39
    16 Austrian 23.13
    17 Spanish_Galicia 23.63
    18 Spanish_Cataluna 24.98
    19 Portuguese 25.23
    20 Serbian 25.32

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61.1% Orcadian + 38.9% Norwegian @ 6.98
    2 97.7% Orcadian + 2.3% Abhkasian @ 7.05
    3 97.6% Orcadian + 2.4% Georgian @ 7.06
    4 79.2% Orcadian + 20.8% Swedish @ 7.07
    5 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% Lezgin @ 7.08
    6 97.5% Orcadian + 2.5% Chechen @ 7.08
    7 97.6% Orcadian + 2.4% Kumyk @ 7.09
    8 97.9% Orcadian + 2.1% North_Ossetian @ 7.1
    9 97.8% Orcadian + 2.2% Balkar @ 7.1
    10 98% Orcadian + 2% Armenian @ 7.1
    11 98% Orcadian + 2% Adygei @ 7.11
    12 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Assyrian @ 7.15
    13 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Iranian @ 7.16
    14 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Makrani @ 7.17
    15 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Brahui @ 7.17
    16 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Nogay @ 7.17
    17 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Syrian @ 7.17
    18 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Balochi @ 7.17
    19 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Kurdish @ 7.17
    20 99% Orcadian + 1% Lebanese_Christian @ 7.17

    Oracle 4,

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 45.75
    2 Atlantic 21.22
    3 Baltic 9.54
    4 West_Med 9.14
    5 Eastern_Euro 8.00
    6 West_Asian 5.02
    7 Red_Sea 1.33


    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Orcadian @ 8.830
    2 Norwegian @ 9.289
    3 Swedish @ 10.617
    4 Dutch @ 10.894
    5 West_Scottish @ 13.034
    6 Danish @ 13.044
    7 Southwest_English @ 13.455
    8 Irish @ 13.776
    9 Southeast_English @ 13.797
    10 North_Swedish @ 14.953
    165 iterations.



    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Norwegian +50% Orcadian @ 8.681
    2 50% Orcadian +50% Orcadian @ 8.830
    3 50% Orcadian +50% Swedish @ 9.041
    4 50% Norwegian +50% Norwegian @ 9.289
    5 50% Dutch +50% Orcadian @ 9.631
    6 50% Dutch +50% Norwegian @ 9.830
    7 50% Norwegian +50% Swedish @ 9.872
    8 50% Dutch +50% Swedish @ 10.276
    9 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_English @ 10.403
    10 50% Norwegian +50% West_Scottish @ 10.499
    13695 iterations.



    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Orcadian +25% Norwegian +25% Orcadian @ 8.659
    2 50% Norwegian +25% Orcadian +25% Orcadian @ 8.681
    3 50% Orcadian +25% Norwegian +25% Norwegian @ 8.681
    4 50% Orcadian +25% Orcadian +25% Swedish @ 8.744
    5 50% Orcadian +25% Orcadian +25% Orcadian @ 8.830
    6 50% Orcadian +25% Norwegian +25% Swedish @ 8.834
    7 50% Norwegian +25% Norwegian +25% Orcadian @ 8.896
    8 50% Orcadian +25% Swedish +25% Swedish @ 9.041
    9 50% Swedish +25% Orcadian +25% Orcadian @ 9.041
    10 50% Orcadian +25% Dutch +25% Norwegian @ 9.088
    665915 iterations.



    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 8.659
    2 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 8.681
    3 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 8.744
    4 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 8.830
    5 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 8.834
    6 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 8.896
    7 Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish + Swedish @ 9.041
    8 Dutch + Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 9.088
    9 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 9.111
    10 Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 9.164
    11 Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 9.198
    12 Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 9.205
    13 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 9.289
    14 Norwegian + Orcadian + Swedish + Swedish @ 9.376
    15 Dutch + Norwegian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 9.377
    16 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 9.411
    17 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 9.467
    18 Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 9.486
    19 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 9.495
    20 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 9.518

    Oracle-x

    Admix Results:

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 44.44
    2 Atlantic 20.61
    3 Baltic 9.26
    4 Eastern_Euro 7.77
    5 West_Med 8.88
    6 West_Asian 4.88
    7 East_Med 0.64
    8 Red_Sea 1.30
    9 South_Asian 0.15
    10 Southeast_Asian 0.00
    11 Siberian 0.38
    12 Amerindian 0.77
    13 Oceanian 0.49
    14 Northeast_African 0.42
    15 Sub-Saharan 0.00


    Pct. Calc. Option 2

    1 Orcadian 61.73%
    2 Norwegian 22.35%
    3 Swedish 5.68%
    4 Abhkasian 3.88%
    5 Dutch 3.75%
    6 North_Swedish 2.49%
    7 Southwest_English 0.11%
    8 Armenian 0.00%
    9 Georgian 0.00%
    10 French 0.00%
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    Oracle,

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 33.83
    2 ATLANTIC 23.77
    3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.15
    4 WEST_MED 9.96
    5 EAST_EURO 9.81
    6 WEST_ASIAN 6.33
    7 ASHKENAZI 3.08
    8 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.51
    9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.32
    10 SIBERIAN 0.17
    11 EAST_MED 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 English 5.95
    2 DK 6.8
    3 NL 7.06
    4 NO 7.54
    5 Orcadian 8.03
    6 West_&_Central_German 8.04
    7 South_&_Central_Swedish 8.32
    8 IE 8.57
    9 Cornish 8.93
    10 Scottish 9.67
    11 North_Swedish 12.43
    12 FR 14.78
    13 AT 15.64
    14 HU 20.42
    15 PT 21.41
    16 South_Finnish 21.5
    17 ES 22.21
    18 Serbian 22.28
    19 PL 24.68
    20 North_Italian 24.95

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 74.9% English + 25.1% NO @ 5.72
    2 79.6% English + 20.4% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.75
    3 78.2% English + 21.8% DK @ 5.87
    4 98% English + 2% Lezgin @ 5.88
    5 98.4% English + 1.6% Kalash @ 5.88
    6 93.6% English + 6.4% North_Swedish @ 5.9
    7 98.7% English + 1.3% GE @ 5.91
    8 99.2% English + 0.8% Burusho @ 5.93
    9 99.4% English + 0.6% Sindhi @ 5.94
    10 99.6% English + 0.4% Gujarati @ 5.94
    11 99.6% English + 0.4% IN @ 5.94
    12 99.6% English + 0.4% Balochi @ 5.95
    13 99.6% English + 0.4% Brahui @ 5.95
    14 99.7% English + 0.3% Komi @ 5.95
    15 99.8% English + 0.2% Bangladeshi @ 5.95
    16 100% English + 0% KZ @ 5.95
    17 100% English + 0% AJ @ 5.95
    18 100% English + 0% Algerian @ 5.95
    19 100% English + 0% Armenian @ 5.95
    20 100% English + 0% Assyrian @ 5.95

    Oracle 4

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 34.19
    2 ATLANTIC 24.03
    3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.28
    4 WEST_MED 10.07
    5 EAST_EURO 9.92
    6 WEST_ASIAN 6.40
    7 ASHKENAZI 3.12


    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 English @ 7.032
    2 DK @ 8.014
    3 NL @ 8.382
    4 NO @ 8.722
    5 Orcadian @ 9.312
    6 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.552
    7 West_&_Central_German @ 9.592
    8 IE @ 9.926
    9 Cornish @ 10.414
    10 Scottish @ 11.145
    78 iterations.



    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% English +50% NO @ 6.981
    2 50% English +50% English @ 7.032
    3 50% DK +50% English @ 7.105
    4 50% English +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.221
    5 50% English +50% NL @ 7.585
    6 50% DK +50% NL @ 7.829
    7 50% NL +50% NO @ 7.872
    8 50% English +50% Orcadian @ 7.910
    9 50% DK +50% DK @ 8.014
    10 50% English +50% West_&_Central_German @ 8.064
    3081 iterations.



    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% English +25% English +25% NO @ 6.752
    2 50% English +25% English +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 6.801
    3 50% English +25% DK +25% English @ 6.955
    4 50% English +25% NO +25% NO @ 6.981
    5 50% NO +25% English +25% English @ 6.981
    6 50% English +25% DK +25% NO @ 6.989
    7 50% English +25% English +25% English @ 7.032
    8 50% English +25% DK +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.057
    9 50% English +25% NO +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.085
    10 50% English +25% NL +25% NO @ 7.095
    79280 iterations.



    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 English + English + English + NO @ 6.752
    2 English + English + English + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 6.801
    3 DK + English + English + English @ 6.955
    4 English + English + NO + NO @ 6.981
    5 DK + English + English + NO @ 6.989
    6 English + English + English + English @ 7.032
    7 DK + English + English + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.057
    8 English + English + NO + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.085
    9 English + English + NL + NO @ 7.095
    10 DK + DK + English + English @ 7.105
    11 English + English + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.173
    12 English + English + NO + Orcadian @ 7.214
    13 English + English + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.221
    14 English + English + IE + NO @ 7.237
    15 DK + English + English + NL @ 7.247
    16 English + English + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.258
    17 English + English + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.263
    18 English + English + English + NL @ 7.274
    19 English + English + NO + West_&_Central_German @ 7.298
    20 DK + English + English + Orcadian @ 7.359

    Oracle-x

    Admix Results:

    # Population Percent
    1 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.15
    2 EAST_EURO 9.81
    3 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 33.83
    4 ATLANTIC 23.77
    5 WEST_MED 9.96
    6 ASHKENAZI 3.08
    7 EAST_MED 0.07
    8 WEST_ASIAN 6.33
    9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.51
    10 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.32
    11 EAST_AFRICAN 0.00
    12 EAST_ASIAN 0.00
    13 SIBERIAN 0.17
    14 WEST_AFRICAN 0.00


    Pct. Calc. Option 2

    1 English 60.11%
    2 NO 23.05%
    3 South_&_Central_Swedish 5.46%
    4 Lezgin 3.61%
    5 DK 3.33%
    6 NL 3.33%
    7 Kalash 1.11%
    8 GE 0.00%
    9 West_&_Central_German 0.00%
    10 Orcadian 0.00%

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    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 0.78%
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 8.34%
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 4.85%
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 5.45%
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 2.53%
    Fennoscandian 13.01%
    French 7.42%
    Iberian 13.36%
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 5.41%
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 13.61%
    North_Caucasian 1.42%
    North_Sea 22.62%
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 1.20%
    West_Med -


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    After all that, I'd love to know your thoughts and opinions on my results.

    I'd also like to know what the population referencing means? In terms of ethnicity, ancient ancestry, etc.

    Thank you .
    Last edited by Wulf Talented; 12-05-2013 at 08:26 PM.

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    Fairly consistent with your known ancestry.
     

    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJL View Post
    Fairly consistent with your known ancestry.
    Thank you very much for your reply AJL.

    What do the population lists mean? These for example,

    1 Orcadian @ 8.830
    2 Norwegian @ 9.289
    3 Swedish @ 10.617
    4 Dutch @ 10.894
    5 West_Scottish @ 13.034
    6 Danish @ 13.044
    7 Southwest_English @ 13.455
    8 Irish @ 13.776
    9 Southeast_English @ 13.797
    10 North_Swedish @ 14.953


    1 50% Norwegian +50% Orcadian @ 8.681
    2 50% Orcadian +50% Orcadian @ 8.830
    3 50% Orcadian +50% Swedish @ 9.041
    4 50% Norwegian +50% Norwegian @ 9.289
    5 50% Dutch +50% Orcadian @ 9.631
    6 50% Dutch +50% Norwegian @ 9.830
    7 50% Norwegian +50% Swedish @ 9.872
    8 50% Dutch +50% Swedish @ 10.276
    9 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_English @ 10.403
    10 50% Norwegian +50% West_Scottish @ 10.499


    Thank you

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    That's the population you most closely resemble (e.g. Orcadians are from the Orkney Islands north of Scotland), and your distance. 8.80 is pretty far and indicates you are not a good match to a single population so the mixed are more reliable. You are picking up an Eastern Euro influence which is pulling you toward Scandinavia relative to England in the single mode. (Scandinavia is "on the way" from England to Poland.)

    You might also want to try the MDLP calculator.
     

    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJL View Post
    That's the population you most closely resemble (e.g. Orcadians are from the Orkney Islands north of Scotland), and your distance. 8.80 is pretty far and indicates you are not a good match to a single population so the mixed are more reliable. You are picking up an Eastern Euro influence which is pulling you toward Scandinavia relative to England in the single mode. (Scandinavia is "on the way" from England to Poland.)

    You might also want to try the MDLP calculator.
    Unfortunately the MDLP project calculators wont load for me, I just get the 500 server error . Is the MDLP project more accurate towards ethnic/genetic make up?

    Thank you.

    Quick Edit,

    23andMe just updated my ancestry composition.

    Speculative

    Speculative2.jpg

    Standard
    Standard2.jpg
    Last edited by Wulf Talented; 12-06-2013 at 11:01 AM.

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    That still looks quite consistent with your known ancestry. The Polish is probably falling into "Nonspecific Northern European," since there are not so many Polish samples in the database.

    I suggest the MDLP as well because it's always useful to have a second system for comparison. If you can't get the Gedmatch version to work or the offline one (e.g. here), you ought to be able to contact one of the two project admins.
     

    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    Welcome

    I think i remember you on Eupedia as well, thanks for sharing your genetic results!

    Your results do make a lot of sense if you are 7/8 English/British Isles and 1/8 Polish, as AJL says, the components that are most common in Poland are more common in Scandinavia than in Britain, so being 1/8th Polish makes you look British Isles + Scandinavian, although i don't doubt some calculators will also see it as potential Eastern European ancestry. Your results overall (in the oracle) are fairly similar to my grandfather's, and i'm considering the fact the he might also have a bit of ancestry from eastern Europe, although no confirmation on it so far, it seems possible.
    Y-DNA: I1* (Ware, Hertfordshire)
    MT-DNA: U5a1b4 (Boughton Aluph, Kent)
    Father's MT-DNA: J1c8 (Wolverhampton, Staffordshire)
    Grandfather's MT-DNA: H1b (Littlehampton, Sussex)

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