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Thread: E-V13 entered Greece with Illyrians and Dorian invasions

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    Did they determine yDNA haplogroups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Did they determine yDNA haplogroups?
    As far as I understand the paper has not been published yet. So we can't know yet.
    Unless there is someone able to analyse the available raw data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Did they determine yDNA haplogroups?
    One Serb admin (not Pribislav ) looked at the raw files:
    Pta08 Minoan-Petras-EBA 2849-2621 calBCE G2a-P15>L1259>L30>CTS574>CTS2488G>P303>CTS796>PF3337 , L140-
    Kou01 Cycladic-Koufonisi-EBA 2464-2349 calBCE J2a-M410>PF4610>L26>Z6064>Z6055>Z6057>Y7013>Y7010>Y131 28>Z36834

    Others are females apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BukeKrypEZemer View Post
    Today we got another interesting result in E-BY4573. A greek guy from Peloponnes joined the club.
    And he is negative for 7 SNP's that Serb and Bulgarian share.. They are now E-BY4570.. He doesn't look Arvanite, as their TMRCA is past that, plus closest link to you is Late Iron Age I believe. New sandzak Bosniak will likely be close to you as so many of them are close to Albanians. If not, his result would be more interesting.

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    The sandxhak Bosnian guy is not close to him at all. He has some interesting differences on some markers like 389, 464 and CDY. Based on 456 and 570 he actually resembles more the BY4573 cluster (only on the Y37 I have seen).

    Chances are he will just be a parallel branch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broder View Post
    The sandxhak Bosnian guy is not close to him at all. He has some interesting differences on some markers like 389, 464 and CDY. Based on 456 and 570 he actually resembles more the BY4573 cluster (only on the Y37 I have seen).

    Chances are he will just be a parallel branch.
    Albanian has very low 456, his own private mutation. What defines BY4570 on Y37 is 458=17 and 570. He might be away from the others, that would definitely make it more diverse in the area.

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    A Serb from Bosnia (his tradition is origin from Zadar, Croatia) was tested as PH1246+, his SNP Pack being in progress at YSEQ. He is not part of Vasojevići cluster and has no close links with others apparently. It will be very interesting to see where he ends up. If he is another isolated PH1246 that definitely goes in favor of connection between Cetina and V13 (or PH1246) in which case I think it is almost a certainty that the earliest E-V13 expansion began from the surviving remnant of Dalmatian Cardials, which is what I still maintain. rafc also proposed this in his article a while ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huban View Post
    A Serb from Bosnia (his tradition is origin from Zadar, Croatia) was tested as PH1246+, his SNP Pack being in progress at YSEQ. He is not part of Vasojevići cluster and has no close links with others apparently. It will be very interesting to see where he ends up. If he is another isolated PH1246 that definitely goes in favor of connection between Cetina and V13 (or PH1246) in which case I think it is almost a certainty that the earliest E-V13 expansion began from the surviving remnant of Dalmatian Cardials, which is what I still maintain. rafc also proposed this in his article a while ago.
    It's Middle Danube expansion instead.

    Cetina is unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    It's Middle Danube expansion instead.

    Cetina is unlikely.
    Read some of my previous posts. One of very important elements in formation of Cetina is from across the Danube.. Cetina was formed by the fusion of this element, surviving Cardial element in the form of Middle Adriatic Ljubljana culture and some Bell Beaker element.

    This element whose home was far from Dalmatia took the CST1273 with them and they expanded from (Middle-Lower) Danube.. Before Cetina had even formed.. So Cetina should be only PH1246+, not CTS1273. That PH1246 is rare fits as there is no archeological evidence to suggest that some Cetina-proper derived groups continued their independent cultural existence into the MBA (they were assimilated).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huban View Post
    One Serb admin (not Pribislav ) looked at the raw files:
    Pta08 Minoan-Petras-EBA 2849-2621 calBCE G2a-P15>L1259>L30>CTS574>CTS2488G>P303>CTS796>PF3337 , L140-
    Kou01 Cycladic-Koufonisi-EBA 2464-2349 calBCE J2a-M410>PF4610>L26>Z6064>Z6055>Z6057>Y7013>Y7010>Y131 28>Z36834

    Others are females apparently.
    I always had a feeling g2a (alongside j2a) played a part in ancient greece

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