E-V13 entered Greece with Illyrians and Dorian invasions

[gjergj]

This is the border of the eastern Roman Empire not of greece.

[broder]

I thought so as well...

But one thing it bothers me is, why E-CTS9320 doesn't seem to show up at all or at least shows up as a minority lineage among the other E-V13 lineages in the Arabs when it's actually the most frequent and diverse E-V13 lineage among the Balkan people today?

Probably just by chance. Could also be because CTS9320 was perhaps more of a northwestern Balkan lineage during the early Roman period. What we're seeing today could be as a result of populations that Slavs pushed further down south.

[gjergj]

Well yeah, I was aware there was a E-FGC44169+ Albanian by looking at Rrenjet public database. However it's telling by the number of testees among Albanians and Bulgarians that statistically wise this subclade has more frequency and diversity in the Bulgarians even with less testees than Albanians.

There are some interesting connections among South Albanians and Bulgarians however. It certainly has something to do with a flow of people and genes in both directions during the two Bulgarian Empires in the Medieval although there are for sure subclades downstream of E-BY5022 and such among the Albanians that might even have an older, ancient presence among them.

The connection is older and not with the bulgarian empire.

[Hawk]

This Latvian E-L618 doesn't make sense: https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY6578/

He is probably a Jew paternally. These rare occassions of E-L618 do happen in MENA, we have Syrian, Lebanese, Tunisian, Egyptian Copt, probably Southern Levantine Neolithic back-migration. E-L618 looks like it was always in the minority everywhere.

[Hawk]

Thracian romphaia and it's longer version falx were deadly swords. It is said that romphaia was forged firstly by Bessi blacksmiths.

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[rafc]

This Latvian E-L618 doesn't make sense: https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY6578/

He is probably a Jew paternally. These rare occassions of E-L618 do happen in MENA, we have Syrian, Lebanese, Tunisian, Egyptian Copt, probably Southern Levantine Neolithic back-migration. E-L618 looks like it was always in the minority everywhere.

I think that is very unlikely, if he belonged to a Jewish group I would expect many other kits nearby. As far as I know he might have German roots.

[rafc]

Probably just by chance. Could also be because CTS9320 was perhaps more of a northwestern Balkan lineage during the early Roman period. What we're seeing today could be a result of populations that Slavs pushed further down south.

I don't think chance can explain it. The very big, recent clades like CTS9320, L241 & FGC11450 don't have Arabian or Middle-Eastern members. Older and smaller clades like BY5022, Y16729 and Y145455 have them in several branches. These branches also tend to be less present in the Western Balkans. This seems to point to quite old connections.

[broder]

I don't think chance can explain it. The very big, recent clades like CTS9320, L241 & FGC11450 don't have Arabian or Middle-Eastern members. Older and smaller clades like BY5022, Y16729 and Y145455 have them in several branches. These branches also tend to be less present in the Western Balkans. This seems to point to quite old connections.

That's why I threw the second option there.

However, there are some L241 middle Easterners. Even younger subclades such as Z2705 and FGC40202, that are predominantly Western Balkan, can be found among them. So, chance plays a part too.

[Riverman]

I don't think chance can explain it. The very big, recent clades like CTS9320, L241 & FGC11450 don't have Arabian or Middle-Eastern members. Older and smaller clades like BY5022, Y16729 and Y145455 have them in several branches. These branches also tend to be less present in the Western Balkans. This seems to point to quite old connections.

We also have some E-V13 in East Asia and with more Chinese testing, more will appear. I think a possible connection is what I would call "backflow to the steppe" from the Thracian - Iranian connection in particular. Like to the West, some experts and especially smiths, or any kind of people becoming integrated one way or another into a steppe tribe could have migrated with Cimmerians, Scythians, Sarmatians etc. to different regions. Including Caucasian countries (Armenians), China and the Near East. One important group for the timing in the Near East might be the Kurds. I didn't look more carefully at their E-V13 clades, but they seem to have some. What's their position overall? On YFull there isn't too much about it.