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    The LivingDNA Irish update and being careful what you wish for...

    So, I've seen posters mentioning that they've received the updates but have yet to see a side by side of old and new results. Well, I've received an update (I sent an email when I saw it was getting results, my will is not very strong) and would like to provide a small analysis.

    I loved my first set of results, already knowing the issues with LivingDNA before testing I thought my first set of results were quite good, even got a healthy (by LDNA standards) 26% Ireland. I knew that my German ancestry was likely being obfuscated by South England/East Anglia, they gave me an exciting and exotic 2% France to go with it. My Eastern European score was good, I generally score higher than a single great grandparent but I'm not sure if it is a problem with the testing companies to give out too much Eastern Euro or it is just the way of DNA inheritance, maybe even part of my German ancestry is in there. Who knows?
    My English ancestry is a bit more messy, scoring in many categories that I felt were misattributed (probably should have rolled into Irish category, some into German, others match nothing that resembles my documented English ancestry). Like many others, I feel this can be a crutch of testing companies, I have brick walls in my English ancestry beginning in the late 1700's/early 1800's and cannot confidently say that the family was native to the area, had moved around, or whatever. For what it's worth, my English ancestry is centralized to Burton/Kings Bromley/Derbyshire and I certainly don't see that reflected in this part of my results, although it makes for some fun speculation.

    Now to the update. Good news is the Irish update seems to do the trick well, bringing me from 26.9% to 48.8%. Still a little bit low, it's been a bit difficult to accurately assess my Irish ancestry as I found my mother to have a single great grandfather that was of Colonial American stock and I've modeled him as 25% Dutch, 18.75% English, 12.5% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% Welsh, and 6.25% French (until I've broken through a serious brick wall I'll be missing approximately 18.75% of her great grandfathers ancestry). This would make my mother, in total, a little over 90% Irish. My father also has Irish, 25%, so in a perfect world I would be approximately 57.5% Irish. The update has done much better in capturing that and considering admixture that I may never find out about it seems solid.

    English ancestry is still an absolute mess, I have no need for a headache so I'll have a pass at making an analysis.

    Eastern Europe...31.3%...I don't even know how that happened. While it would be very cool it just makes me feel like a "plastic Paweł". It also misses the other Eastern Euro regions of my first test, leaving out Finland and Western Russia as well as Northeast Europe.

    Here is a comparison of my first test and the update, perhaps it's better for less mixed individuals but I would caution that while this update certainly helps with Irish it does also seem to muck other things in a way. And the English subregional breakdown is not very good on either test, imo.

    First test:
    Screen Shot 2018-05-09 at 7.12.20 PM.png

    Update:
    Screen Shot 2019-03-25 at 9.46.40 AM.png

    Thanks for reading!
    Y DNA E-V13>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>S2972* John Saunders unknown birthdate, died 1840 in Kings Bromley, Staffordshire, England.
    MtDNA U5a2c3a Betty Hallissy b.1801 Passage West, Cork, Ireland

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    When was this update? My original paid results give 1.2% Ireland and hasn't changed. Two results from uploading raw data give over 20% Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    When was this update? My original paid results give 1.2% Ireland and hasn't changed. Two results from uploading raw data give over 20% Ireland.
    According to the email I received from LivingDNA:
    "We are currently running any updates on an individual basis however are aiming to do a more wider update in the near future."

    The update is with the "improved Irish panel", I'm assuming maybe the same used for the upload results (the test in my OP is a bought test). I just found it odd the way that implementing that panel completely skewed the rest of my results.

    Edit: to their credit, they were prompt with a response.
    Last edited by BackToTheForests; 03-25-2019 at 02:39 PM.
    Y DNA E-V13>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>S2972* John Saunders unknown birthdate, died 1840 in Kings Bromley, Staffordshire, England.
    MtDNA U5a2c3a Betty Hallissy b.1801 Passage West, Cork, Ireland

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    In my case [I posted the info on other LivingDna threads], I went from 6% Irish to a fairly accurate 49% Irish when my results were very recently updated to include the 'new Irish data'.

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    [QUOTE=BackToTheForests;556727]According to the email I received from LivingDNA:
    "We are currently running any updates on an individual basis however are aiming to do a more wider update in the near future."
    The update is with the "improved Irish panel"

    Thanks everyone I requested mine also. My results came back 2 years ago and when I immediately complained at my low Irish they had told me that the Irish samples were fairly imminent. ha!
    And since they blew their Beta..Hopefully

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkie View Post
    In my case [I posted the info on other LivingDna threads], I went from 6% Irish to a fairly accurate 49% Irish when my results were very recently updated to include the 'new Irish data'.
    I did see your post, it prompted me to email LDNA so thank you (I wouldn't have otherwise). If you don't mind my asking, how did the Irish update effect the rest of your estimate? Did it bring the rest together for you or did only the Irish estimate improve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    Still waiting!
    You should send them an email if you haven't already. All I did was politely express my frustration in seeing people being randomly updated and told them that their estimate falls very short of my documented genealogy, I had a response plus update in only three days time. I emailed [email protected]
    Y DNA E-V13>Z5018>S2979>Z16659>S2972* John Saunders unknown birthdate, died 1840 in Kings Bromley, Staffordshire, England.
    MtDNA U5a2c3a Betty Hallissy b.1801 Passage West, Cork, Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackToTheForests View Post
    I did see your post, it prompted me to email LDNA so thank you (I wouldn't have otherwise). If you don't mind my asking, how did the Irish update effect the rest of your estimate? Did it bring the rest together for you or did only the Irish estimate improve?



    You should send them an email if you haven't already. All I did was politely express my frustration in seeing people being randomly updated and told them that their estimate falls very short of my documented genealogy, I had a response plus update in only three days time. I emailed [email protected]
    Hi, my new Irish update seems to have improved the accuracy of my full ethnicity picture overall, with more realistic estimates of my East Anglian, Central England and South-East England scores. I was getting small percentages previously of areas such as Cornwall where I'm pretty sure I have no ancestry from.

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    I tested in 2017 and got a beta upgrade on those Orion chip results 2/13/2019. Also I tested on the new Sirius chip and got results 12/12/2018. I'm looking forward for the update to roll out for everyone to see how updated Orion and updated Sirius compare using the same reference panel. Unfortunately different reference panels were used for each test below which makes it difficult to interpret the results.

    There was no change in my MT and Y Haplogroup/subclades. Each chip reports K1a4a1f and R-L21>DF13

    Living DNA - Complete Mode with Sub-Regions
    Robert ---------------- Orion 2017 - Sirius 12/12/18 - Orion 2/13/19
    Great Britain and Ireland -- 98.7% ---100.0% -------100.0%
    Northwest Scotland -------- 20.8% ---- 23.0% ------- 12.5%
    Aberdeenshire --------------- 6.9% ---- 14.6% --------- 3.7%
    SW Scotland & N. Ireland --- 1.3% ----- 2.5% ----------------
    Ireland ------------------------ 6.1% --- 37.6% -------- 31.1%
    Northumbria ------------------ 3.9% ----------------------------

    Northwest England ---------- 10.0% ---- 3.5% ----------------
    Cumbria ---------------------------------------------------- 3.8%
    North Yorkshire --------------- 5.5% ---- 2.8% -----------------
    South Yorkshire --------------- 4.7% ---- 6.4% ---------- 6.9%
    North Wales ------------------- 2.9% ---------------------- 1.9%
    South Wales ------------------- 9.0% ---- 5.8% ---------- 4.8%
    South Wales Border ---------------------- 1.9% -----------------
    South Central England -------- 1.7% --------------------- 23.9%
    Devon -------------------------- 1.3% ----------------------------
    Cornwall ------------------------ 2.7% --------------------- 3.8%
    Southeast England ------------ 21.8% --- 1.9% ---------- 7.4%
    Scandinavia --------------------- 1.3% ----------------------------
    Europe West -------------------- 0.0% --- 0.0% ----------- 0.0%

    known family history:
    English 32%, Scottish 28%, Welsh 20%, Irish 15%, German/Netherlands 5%
     
    Estimated ancestry after reviewing Ancestry.com, 23&Me, FTDNA My Origins, Living DNA and known family history:
    33% English, 27% Scottish, 18% Welsh, 18% Irish, 4% German/Netherlands

    Y-DNA leads to Isle of Skye, Scottish Highlands: R1b>M343>L278>L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>L51>L151/L11>P312>Z290>L21/M529>DF13>L513/DF1>S5668>A7>Z21253> S7834 > S7828 > BY11203 > BY11186 (about 320-550 years old)

    MTDNA leads to Glamorgan, South Wales: K1a4a1f

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