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    These are new Y-dna 37 matches.
    Last edited by Nqp15hhu; 04-17-2019 at 11:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    These are new Y-dna 37 matches. I got 2 today.
    Do they show up as 12. 25 or 37 marker matches?
    FTDNA: IN41220
    YFull: YF62636

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    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R2a2b1b2a1a1-Y1383* (Y154917-)
    Y-DNA path: M207 > M479 > M124 > P267 > FGC12586 > M9710 > FGC17608 > V3714 > SK2142 > Z29266 > Z29272 > Z29270 > Y1383 x Y154917


    mtDNA (PhyloTree 17): M5a1a-G9064A


    MATERNAL UNCLE:

    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R1b1a1b1b3a2-Y14416 > Y35099
    Y-DNA path: M207 > M173 > M343 > L754 > L389 > P297 > M269 > L23 > Z2103 > M12149 > Z2106 > Z2109 > Y14416 > Y35099

    mtDNA (PhyloTree 17): U7a3a-A9852G > C15433T

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    These new matches are at the 33 and 34 marker level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    Is it common for my close matches to have multiple different origins? I seem to be getting a lot of English surnames now, with Weathers and Brewer being my most recent matches?

    Does this suggest different geological 'influences' on my Y-DNA over time?

    I just can't get myself around these surnames though. They're all over the place, with no real pattern in terms of commonality.
    You're going to have to forget about surnames. What you should be looking for is locations in common with these matches to see who might be potentially genealogically relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    You're going to have to forget about surnames. What you should be looking for is locations in common with these matches to see who might be potentially genealogically relevant.
    Unfortunately most of my matches are American (including my 36 step ones), with little reference to their origin. (All weighted to Midwest and East Coast)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    These new matches are at the 33 and 34 marker level.
    They're distant enough to have different surnames. When I compared your Y-STR's to members of the R-L513 project, most people with a genetic distance of 3 had different surnames to you. Haplotype overlap is also a potential issue, so these men could be on different paternal lines within R1b-L51 altogether.
    FTDNA: IN41220
    YFull: YF62636

    FATHER:

    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R2a2b1b2a1a1-Y1383* (Y154917-)
    Y-DNA path: M207 > M479 > M124 > P267 > FGC12586 > M9710 > FGC17608 > V3714 > SK2142 > Z29266 > Z29272 > Z29270 > Y1383 x Y154917


    mtDNA (PhyloTree 17): M5a1a-G9064A


    MATERNAL UNCLE:

    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R1b1a1b1b3a2-Y14416 > Y35099
    Y-DNA path: M207 > M173 > M343 > L754 > L389 > P297 > M269 > L23 > Z2103 > M12149 > Z2106 > Z2109 > Y14416 > Y35099

    mtDNA (PhyloTree 17): U7a3a-A9852G > C15433T

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    They're distant enough to have different surnames. When I compared your Y-STR's to members of the R-L513 project, most people with a genetic distance of 3 had different surnames to you. Haplotype overlap is also a potential issue, so these men could be on different paternal lines within R1b-L51 altogether.
    What does this infer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    What does this infer?
    That a genetic distance of 3 isn't that close. Even if both of you came under R-L193, you could still come under different subclades. It's normal for matches of 33 or 34 out of 37 to have different surnames, even if you both come within R-L193. According to YFull, all living L193+ men share a common paternal ancestor roughly 1850 ybp (1919 years ago). Surnames are a lot more recent than that, so it's normal for people that distant to have different surnames to you.

    Haplotype overlap is also a possibility, so you can have close STR matches who actually come under different subclades within R1b-L51. YFull states that all living L51+ men have a common paternal ancestor who lived 5700 ybp (5769 years ago), which is ancient.
    FTDNA: IN41220
    YFull: YF62636

    FATHER:

    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R2a2b1b2a1a1-Y1383* (Y154917-)
    Y-DNA path: M207 > M479 > M124 > P267 > FGC12586 > M9710 > FGC17608 > V3714 > SK2142 > Z29266 > Z29272 > Z29270 > Y1383 x Y154917


    mtDNA (PhyloTree 17): M5a1a-G9064A


    MATERNAL UNCLE:

    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R1b1a1b1b3a2-Y14416 > Y35099
    Y-DNA path: M207 > M173 > M343 > L754 > L389 > P297 > M269 > L23 > Z2103 > M12149 > Z2106 > Z2109 > Y14416 > Y35099

    mtDNA (PhyloTree 17): U7a3a-A9852G > C15433T

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    Okay, thanks for the explanation. Does this mean that matches at the 64 level would be more in line with my branch of R1b-L193 and so would be more likely to share the surname?

    I should say that a lot of these surnames arenít L193.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    Okay, thanks for the explanation. Does this mean that matches at the 64 level would be more in line with my branch of R1b-L193 and so would be more likely to share the surname?

    I should say that a lot of these surnames arenít L193.
    We donít know what you will see at Y67. The Y37 is just a guess of what you might be but in your case we havenít narrowed things down much.

    If you do Y67 I will be able to predict if you are L193. My experience is that my surname matches are GD of 3 or 4 or less at Y111.
    I have people at Y67 matching closer to me than people with my surname who are really matches. At Y111 this washes out and the cream rises to the top.

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