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    E-BY63615

    My father's current FTDNA ydna SNP results from Big Y 500:
    E-M84 < E-CTS1096 < E-Y14899 < E-BY63615

    My father is of Palestinian Christian heritage, and his direct paternal documented family tree goes back 19 generations to the 1400s AD in the same village of the northern West Bank (Samaria region) only 13 miles north of Jerusalem.

    This is the text message I sent my father when he asked me why I recently purchased the Big Y 700 upgrade for him:
    In 2015 we did the Big Y 500 ydna test on FTDNA for your direct paternal line. This is the upgrade for Big Y 700. It tests millions of genetic variants along the direct paternal line. For the longest time you did not have a "cousin match" for the Big Y 500 test, but someone got tested Oct 2018 matching you exactly along the direct paternal line, thus creating a brand new cluster with you and him being the only 2 people in the world so far with this particular ydna. It is imperative to do the upgrade so as to find out more information about its origin. In terms of ethnic origin, FTDNA ydna experts and Haplozone E1b1b experts had previously mistaken your ydna as Ashkenazi because of the extremely similar STR variants in you and them, previously placing you in an E-M84-B Ashkenazi Jewish ydna cluster (clearly indicating the expected Semitic origin in both you and them) I am in email contact with an FTDNA ydna expert and the person you match with. Your ydna does not match up with ydna from Bedouins or the Arabian Peninsula, also ruling out your direct paternal line being from Arab Ghassanids. It is currently being speculated that the ydna of you and the person who matches your direct paternal line is either of Greek, or Aramaean, or Canaanite/Phoenician, or Samaritan origin.
    I had him guess what country his match is from and he guessed correctly on the 1st try: a Greek Cypriot.
    Last edited by FaerieQueene; 04-10-2019 at 06:05 PM.
    SHLAMA ܫܠܡܐ

    mother's mtdna: U2e1a1
    mother's paternal grandmother's mtdna: U5b1b1
    paternal grandmother's mtdna: H13a2c1
    father's ydna: E-BY63615

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    Will you upload his updated bam-file to Yfull?
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    Most distant known paternal ancestor: Agha Nizar Daylami, Hidden Content Hidden Content (missionary), born circa ~1420, Hidden Content

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    Will you upload his updated bam-file to Yfull?
    Yes, of course. And so will his match. I was also told it would be free to upload to YFull a 2nd time.
    SHLAMA ܫܠܡܐ

    mother's mtdna: U2e1a1
    mother's paternal grandmother's mtdna: U5b1b1
    paternal grandmother's mtdna: H13a2c1
    father's ydna: E-BY63615

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    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y14899/

    Many Ashkenazi Jews in this subclade (Eastern European flags).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y14899/

    Many Ashkenazi Jews in this subclade (Eastern European flags).
    Yes, there is a shared Semitic origin in this subclade (possibly Canaanite/Israelite same root). My father's ydna was originally mistaken as Ashkenazi by ydna experts.
    SHLAMA ܫܠܡܐ

    mother's mtdna: U2e1a1
    mother's paternal grandmother's mtdna: U5b1b1
    paternal grandmother's mtdna: H13a2c1
    father's ydna: E-BY63615

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    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y14899*/

    Is it your dad's result? He seems to be still unclassified. I see Jewish, Moslem (Arabian) and Christian (your dad) branches.
    Very interesting lineage segregation. Let us hope they will define it's TMRCA and forming time
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    Most distant known paternal ancestor: Agha Nizar Daylami, Hidden Content Hidden Content (missionary), born circa ~1420, Hidden Content

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    I only noticed this thread today. My family is actually the other part of the E-BY63615 jigsaw. Indeed, as FaerieQueene correctly points out, our clan is Greek Cypriot. However, our family history has always spoken of the male line descending from a Greek of Trapezounta in the Pontus, who settled in Cyprus. A first cousin of mine has compiled a very comprehensive family tree which points to the 18th century as the latest possible time for the migration, if our oral tradition is correct.

    According to the 2017 Heraclides et al. study on Cypriot Y-Chromosome haplogroups, averaging it out with a previous 2016 Voskarides et al paper, 11.3% of Greek Cypriots share the parent E-M123 subclade. However, this subclade is also known in Anatolia, particularly in the eastern and southern regions, which might still be consistent with our family oral tradition. Heraclides did not test downstream of E-M123, so it is hard to say whether, apart from our family, E-BY63615 or its parent clade, Y-14899 are known on the island. I have also upgraded to the Big-700 test, and by eventually uploading the results to YFull, I hope to get an estimate of TMRCA with FaerieQueene! Results are expected this month.

    I have already been in touch with Pontian DNA experts but also hope to be able to make contact with some of the main ancestral genetic researchers in Cyprus to throw further light on whether our subclade forefather is more likely to be of Cypriot Greek or of Pontian Greek origin. Either way, E-BY63615 does so far appear to be a uniquely Orthodox Christian subclade. A manager of parent sub-clade Y-14899 project at FTDNA, has informed me that it divides into E-Y14891 (Jewish), E-F1539 (Muslim), and E-BY63615 (Orthodox Christian). Y-14899 has a TMRCA of 7.500 ybp and does appear to be Semitic in origin.
    Last edited by Andrewid; 06-09-2019 at 11:25 PM.

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    It seems logically to estimate new Christian branch (Greco-Palestinian downstream), but the age will be quite older than Christianity

    Let's wait for both results
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