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    On Eurogenesblog there is a discussion about that Primerose sample with some calls on R1b levels... it seems Arza is sure the sample was a male.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    On Eurogenesblog there is a discussion about that Primerose sample with some calls on R1b levels... it seems Arza is sure the sample was a male.
    A way to find out is determining if the Primrose samples have two X chromosomes or just one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romilius View Post
    On Eurogenesblog there is a discussion about that Primerose sample with some calls on R1b levels... it seems Arza is sure the sample was a male.
    If the Paulsson paper samples are the same Primrose Megalithic samples used for this paper, then there should be caution as half the dates from the cave fall within the Bell Beaker period:

    2360 80 BC
    2545 80 BC
    2465 70 BC

    So even if this is a male sample, it might not be all that earth shattering.

    Here are the ancestral and derived calls:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
    Last edited by R.Rocca; 04-14-2019 at 05:04 PM.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    ans008 is positive for I2a1a2a1a1-FGC7126 and upstream SNPs. Final file sorted by longhand haplogroup with positive and negative calls uploaded here.

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    ans017 is also positive for I2a1a2a1a1-FGC7126 and upstream SNPs. Final file sorted by longhand haplogroup with positive and negative calls uploaded here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    If the Paulsson paper samples are the same Primrose Megalithic samples used for this paper, then there should be caution as half the dates from the cave fall within the Bell Beaker period:

    2360 80 BC
    2545 80 BC
    2465 70 BC

    So even if this is a male sample, it might not be all that earth shattering.

    Here are the ancestral and derived calls:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
    The file in the link is labeled as prs002BE

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b View Post
    The file in the link is labeled as prs002BE
    Yes, sorry for the confusion. It was prs002BE, not prs009BE that had M269 level calls.

    BTW, on the radiocarbon dates, not sure if those were calibrated or un-calibrated, so I guess we'll have to see if:

    1. The sample is male or female
    2. The sample is contaminated
    3. The dates are calibrated (an therefore into the Bell Beaker period)
    Last edited by R.Rocca; 04-14-2019 at 08:24 PM.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Not even one single positive call for an I1 anywhere?

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    FYI, mtDNA assignments for the Ansarve individuals were published in this paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...52409X17303231

    The assignments, that I guess can be expanded using the BAM files:

    ans005 K1a2b
    ans003 T2b8
    ans008 J1c5
    ans014 J1c5
    ans017 HV0a
    ans006 J1c8a
    ans007 K2b1a
    ans009 K2b1a
    ans016 H7d

    This paper is one of three that formed the base of Magdalena Fraser's doctoral thesis that can be found here: http://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/reco...=diva2:1194989

    The third paper, supposed to contain autosomal and Y-DNA results, is still an unpublished manuscript. However, the thesis does state that three males could be assigned to I2a1b1a1a and one, due to lower quality data, only to I2a1b.

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    All, sorry for the confusion. Serves me right for trying to post late while rushing to go to dinner. It was prs002BE, not prs009BE that had M269 level calls. Not only does this sample have M269 level calls, but most calls leading to the M269 branch are indeed positive. I am using the 2017 ISOGG tree for my calls:

    A-V221 >> Positive for equivalent Z11905
    BT-M42 >> Positive for equivalents Z40399, M9115, P97, M9151, M9177, M9301, M8973
    CT-M168 >> Positive for equivalents M5655, M5695, CTS7257, M5780, M5811, Z40572, M5590
    CF-P143
    F-M89 >> Positive for P141 equivalent
    IJK-L15
    IJ-P124
    K-M9
    K(xLT)-M526
    K-YSC0000186
    P-P295 >> Positive for equivalents M1267, CTS12524, PF5481. Negative for equivalents F1660, M1258
    R-M207 >> Positive for M207
    R-M173
    R-M343
    R-L754 >> Positive for CTS3794
    R-L389
    R-P297 >> Positive for PF6501
    R-M269 >> Positive for L777, CTS329


    Positive haplogroup I SNPs CTS2514, CTS8963
    Positive for haplogroup N SNP CTS7885
    Positive for haplogroup C2b1a2b1b SNP M4620

    I have put the calls here for folks that want to investigate further:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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