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    I find 50 Slavic ridiculous, it should be around 30 <

    I don't judge ph2ter for not distinguishing Thracians and Illyrians who live north, cause nobody knows for sure... which is why they are all absorbed into Slavic component.

    SLAVIC,50.8
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,26
    LEVANTINE,9
    GRECO-ROMAN,5
    BALTIC-INGRIA,4.2
    BALTIC,2.4
    ANATOLIAN,1.2
    SOUTH-AMERICAN,0.4
    ALANIC,0.2
    ARIAN,0.2
    NORTH_URALIC,0.2
    OTTOMAN,0.2
    TARTESSIAN,0.2


    ORIGINAL OP TEST

    SLAVIC,49.2
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,31.6
    BALTIC,5.6
    GRECO-ROMAN,5.2
    IBERIAN,4.8
    AVARIC,1.4
    BERBER,1.2
    LEVANTINE,0.6
    NORTH_URALIC,0.2
    TARTESSIAN,0.2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    The Irish are mostly a Beaker population. My impression so far is that they did not get much Celtic input from the Continent. Any calculators that have Celtic are usually made up of the Roman Gladiators. When you look at the limited samples from Hallstatt Irish don't really get much of that. Hopefully the Cassidy paper will answer a few questions when it does come out.
    Yes. I have a surprisingly high Celtic result with this calculator. MyTrueAncestry ties me to a couple of Roman gladiators in England, which they report as Celtic.

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    It's been a minute since a did one of these, not sure what we're doing penalty or without so here's both.

    default

    "distance%=1.144"

    oz

    SLAVIC,55.6
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,16.6
    BALTIC-INGRIA,7.8
    GRECO-ROMAN,6.8
    LEVANTINE,3.4
    VIKING-EAST,2.2
    ANATOLIAN,1.6
    ALANIC,1
    PRE-VIKING,1
    CANARIAN,0.8
    NORTH_URALIC,0.8
    IBERIAN,0.6
    JAPANESE,0.4
    OTTOMAN,0.4
    TARTESSIAN,0.4
    LONGOBARD,0.2
    NORTH_AMERICAN,0.2
    VIKING,0.2

    pen=0

    "distance%=0.8519"

    oz

    BALTIC-INGRIA,39.6
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,37.6
    ALANIC,14.8
    CANARIAN,5
    JAPANESE,1.2
    NORTH_AMERICAN,0.8
    CELTIBERIAN,0.4
    SLAVIC,0.4
    CELTIC,0.2

    pretty strange results on pen=0
    what exactly is the Canarian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    I find 50 Slavic ridiculous, it should be around 30 <

    I don't judge ph2ter for not distinguishing Thracians and Illyrians who live north, cause nobody knows for sure... which is why they are all absorbed into Slavic component.

    SLAVIC,50.8
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,26
    LEVANTINE,9
    GRECO-ROMAN,5
    BALTIC-INGRIA,4.2
    BALTIC,2.4
    ANATOLIAN,1.2
    SOUTH-AMERICAN,0.4
    ALANIC,0.2
    ARIAN,0.2
    NORTH_URALIC,0.2
    OTTOMAN,0.2
    TARTESSIAN,0.2


    ORIGINAL OP TEST

    SLAVIC,49.2
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,31.6
    BALTIC,5.6
    GRECO-ROMAN,5.2
    IBERIAN,4.8
    AVARIC,1.4
    BERBER,1.2
    LEVANTINE,0.6
    NORTH_URALIC,0.2
    TARTESSIAN,0.2
    You don't like to be so much Slavic?

    I have less than you, but I like my Ingria and Viking score:
    My:

    [1] "distance%=0.7879"



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    SLAVIC,44
    BALTIC-INGRIA,9
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,7.6
    VIKING-EAST,6
    VIKING-PRUSSIAN,6
    VIKING,5.6
    GERMANIC,4.8
    GRECO-ROMAN,3.4
    PRE-VIKING,2.6
    BALTIC,2.4
    LEVANTINE,1.6
    LONGOBARD,1.6
    CELTIC,1.2
    ANATOLIAN,0.8
    IBERIAN,0.6
    MONGOLIAN,0.6
    ANDAMAN,0.4
    CELTIBERIAN,0.4
    SOUTH-AMERICAN,0.4
    ALANIC,0.2
    DRAVIDIAN,0.2
    EGYPT,0.2
    JAPANESE,0.2
    NORTH_AMERICAN,0.2

    Every run gives slightly different result:
    [1] "distance%=0.7529"


    ph2ter


    SLAVIC,41
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,10.8
    BALTIC-INGRIA,8.6
    VIKING-PRUSSIAN,7.8
    GERMANIC,5.4
    VIKING-EAST,5.4
    VIKING,4.6
    BALTIC,3.4
    PRE-VIKING,2.6
    GRECO-ROMAN,2.2
    LONGOBARD,2.2
    LEVANTINE,2
    CELTIBERIAN,1
    NORTH_AMERICAN,0.6
    CELTIC,0.4
    ALANIC,0.2
    ANATOLIAN,0.2
    ANDAMAN,0.2
    AQUITANIAN,0.2
    DRAVIDIAN,0.2
    EGYPT,0.2
    IBERIAN,0.2
    JAPANESE,0.2
    MONGOLIAN,0.2
    SOUTH-AMERICAN,0.2

    Problem with Illyrian and Thracian is because we don't have yet any Roman sample from the Balkans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    My new updated calc:

    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
    CELTIBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I3777,0.011,0.0142,0.0134,0.0056,0.0135,0.0004,0.0021,0.002,0.0106,0.0131,-0.0051,0.0083,-0.0041,-0.0072,0.0118,0.0022,0.0038,0.0042,0.004,-0.0002,0.0003,-0.0104,-0.0003,0.0012,0.0006
    CELTIBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I7673,0.0098,0.0145,0.0103,0.0028,0.0155,-0.0005,-0.0016,0.0046,0.0133,0.0161,-0.0048,0.0036,-0.0046,-0.0025,0.006,0.0009,-0.0165,0.0027,-0.0052,0.0046,-0.0011,0.0089,-0.0089,0.0028,-0.0044
    CELTIBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032,0.0125,0.0143,0.0132,0.0093,0.0102,0.0039,-0.0002,0.0057,0.0058,0.0061,-0.0039,0.0087,-0.0127,-0.0017,0.0036,0.0062,0.0035,0.0096,0.0018,0.0104,0.0082,-0.0005,-0.0011,-0.0022,0.0007
    CELTIBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162,0.0101,0.0125,0.0124,0.0095,0.014,0.0042,0.0029,0.0004,0.0014,0.0034,-0.0064,0.0049,-0.0002,-0.0081,0.0038,-0.0043,0.0009,0.003,0.0045,0.002,0.016,0.0003,-0.0005,0.0123,-0.0022
    CELTIC:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8206,0.011,0.0126,0.0143,0.0151,0.0133,0.0048,0.0029,0.0027,0.0059,0.0078,-0.0011,-0.0035,-0.0102,-0.0131,0.0158,0.0086,0.009,0.0081,0.0031,0.0073,0.0078,-0.0008,-0.0039,0.0138,0.0052
    CELTIC:England_IA:HI1-I0156,0.0116,0.0136,0.0153,0.0165,0.0126,0.0062,0.0007,0.0013,0.0039,0.0018,-0.0042,0.0039,-0.0105,-0.0127,0.0185,0.0086,0.0011,-0.0041,-0.0006,0.0052,0.0067,-0.0047,-0.0036,0.0112,-0.0042
    CELTIC:England_IA:I0156,0.0116,0.0136,0.0153,0.0165,0.0126,0.0062,0.0007,0.0013,0.0039,0.0018,-0.0042,0.0039,-0.0105,-0.0127,0.0185,0.0086,0.0011,-0.0041,-0.0006,0.0052,0.0067,-0.0047,-0.0036,0.0112,-0.0042
    CELTIC:England_IA:I0160,0.0114,0.0134,0.0158,0.0156,0.0111,0.0084,0.0011,0.004,0.001,0.0021,-0.0047,0.0065,-0.0109,-0.0138,0.0147,-0.0046,-0.0121,0.0071,0.006,0.0025,0.0034,0.0013,0.0052,0.0103,-0.0004
    CELTIC:England_IA:L-I0789,0.012,0.0123,0.0167,0.0149,0.0129,0.006,0.0041,-0.0003,0.0028,-0.0006,-0.0055,0,0.0001,-0.0149,0.005,0.0157,0.0069,0.0004,0.0024,0.0061,0.0011,0.0013,-0.0039,0.0084,0.0065
    CELTIC:England_IA:M1489,0.0113,0.0122,0.016,0.0125,0.009,0.0083,0.0023,0.0014,0.0006,0.0059,0.0035,0.0049,-0.007,-0.0123,0.0149,0.0106,0.0078,-0.0036,0.0028,-0.0013,0.0013,0.0029,-0.0016,0.008,-0.0004
    Perhaps the Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL (Pla de l'Horta) samples should not be included in the Celtiberian category.
    They don't really plot like other Iberians at all, let alone ancient Iberians -- you could call them "Wandering Horde" but they look more Belgian/French East than anything.
    The Olalde report clearly labels them as distinct and probable Visigoths, with their group being the only ones in the study with consistent north/central euro.

    In contrast to the demographic changes in the
    Classical period, movements into Iberia during the
    decline of the Roman Empire had less long-term
    demographic impact. Nevertheless, individual
    sites—for example, the 6th century site of Pla de
    l'Horta in the northeast—bear witness to events
    in this period. These individuals, archaeologically
    interpreted as Visigoths, are shifted from those
    at L'Esquerda in the direction of Northern and
    Central Europe (Figs. 1D and 2C and table S18),
    and we observe the Asian mitochondrial DNA
    (mtDNA) haplogroup C4a1a also found in Early
    Medieval Bavaria (20), supporting a recent link
    to groups with ancestry originally derived from
    Central and Eastern Europe.
    So even though they look half local Iberian in a bar chart like Figure 2C, it might be their non-local "Belgian" affinity that's causing a match, and throwing people off the trail of what ancient celtiberians were like.

    12162:
    1 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 French_East French24437 Modern; 3.092
    2 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 HUN_MA_Szolad_Averaged Averaged 3.21
    3 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 Belgian_Averaged Averaged 3.278
    4 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 ITA_Collegno_MA_Averaged Averaged 3.413
    5 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL_Averaged Averaged 3.419
    6 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 Custom AGUser_Alfred89 3.422
    7 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 German_Averaged Averaged 3.505
    8 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 French_East_Averaged Averaged 3.534
    9 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 Custom AGUser_Nibelung_uncle 3.565
    10 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 Custom AGUser_Randwulf_wife 3.572
    11 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 German German60 Modern; 3.618
    12 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 Levant_LBN_MA_Euro_Averaged Averaged 3.625
    13 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 Dutch Netherlands33 Modern; 3.64
    14 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162 Custom AGUser_Dewsloth_dad 3.641

    12032:
    1 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL_Averaged Averaged 2.912
    2 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Levant_LBN_MA_Euro_Averaged Averaged 3.257
    3 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Custom AGUser_DavidC 3.279
    4 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 French French47 Modern; 3.28
    5 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Belgian Belgium2 Modern; 3.354
    6 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 ITA_Collegno_MA CL102 Ancient; CE:671 3.481
    7 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Custom AGUser_bigl 3.489
    8 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 French_Averaged Averaged 3.527
    9 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 HUN_MA_Szolad_Averaged Averaged 3.535
    10 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 French_East_Averaged Averaged 3.539
    11 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Belgian Belgium6 Modern; 3.55
    12 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria_Averaged Averaged 3.585
    13 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Custom AGUser_Dewsloth_dad 3.587
    14 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Belgian Belgium18 Modern; 3.611
    15 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Belgian_Averaged Averaged 3.647
    16 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria I5529 Ancient; BCE:2250 3.654
    Last edited by Dewsloth; 06-12-2019 at 03:17 PM.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by oz View Post
    It's been a minute since a did one of these, not sure what we're doing penalty or without so here's both.

    ...
    pretty strange results on pen=0
    what exactly is the Canarian?
    Always with pen=0.001, except in case of basic WHG-EHG-CHG-EEF... components.

    Canarian is Canary_Islands_Guanche sample.
     
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    Oh Sorry!
    Maybe these ones are fine :

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    FabioM_scaled,0.064879,0.111708,0.034695,-0.000323,0.024004,-0.00502,-0.026086,-0.017768,0.020043,0.025149,0.002273,0.002098,-0.009068,-0.007982,0.000136,0.002121,0.004694,-0.004687,-0.003017,-0.004252,0.003993,0,0.001356,0.005543,-0.001078

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    FabioM,0.0057,0.011,0.0092,-0.0001,0.0078,-0.0018,-0.0111,-0.0077,0.0098,0.0138,0.0014,0.0014,-0.0061,-0.0058,0.0001,0.0016,0.0036,-0.0037,-0.0024,-0.0034,0.0032,0,0.0011,0.0046,-0.0009

    Hope it works this time
    Thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by mec_venitien View Post
    Oh Sorry!
    Maybe these ones are fine :

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    FabioM_scaled,0.064879,0.111708,0.034695,-0.000323,0.024004,-0.00502,-0.026086,-0.017768,0.020043,0.025149,0.002273,0.002098,-0.009068,-0.007982,0.000136,0.002121,0.004694,-0.004687,-0.003017,-0.004252,0.003993,0,0.001356,0.005543,-0.001078

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    FabioM,0.0057,0.011,0.0092,-0.0001,0.0078,-0.0018,-0.0111,-0.0077,0.0098,0.0138,0.0014,0.0014,-0.0061,-0.0058,0.0001,0.0016,0.0036,-0.0037,-0.0024,-0.0034,0.0032,0,0.0011,0.0046,-0.0009

    Hope it works this time
    Thanks !
    Last version with removed _PL Celtiberian:

    [1] "distance%=1.398"


    FabioM


    GRECO-ROMAN,26.8
    IBERIAN,25.4
    TARTESSIAN,13.8
    AQUITANIAN,9.8
    LEVANTINE,4.8
    CELTIC,4.2
    LUSITANIAN,2.6
    ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,2.2
    NORTH_URALIC,1.6
    OTTOMAN,1
    JAPANESE,0.8
    NORTH_AMERICAN,0.8
    VIKING-EAST,0.8
    DRAVIDIAN,0.6
    KANGJU,0.6
    SOUTHEAST-ASIAN,0.6
    ANDAMAN,0.4
    BALTIC,0.4
    CANARIAN,0.4
    LONGOBARD,0.4
    SLAVIC,0.4
    VIKING-PRUSSIAN,0.4
    VIKING-WEST,0.4
    ARIAN,0.2
    SOUTH-AMERICAN,0.2
    SOUTHEAST-AFRICAN,0.2
    VIKING-BALTIC,0.2
     
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    East Europe 99%
    Trace 1%

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  15. #259
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    1,470
    Sex
    Location
    Florida, USA.
    Ethnicity
    English, Scottish & Irish
    Nationality
    American
    Y-DNA
    I-A13243
    mtDNA
    H1e2

    England Scotland Ireland Prussia Italy Two Sicilies United States of America
    Quote Originally Posted by Trelvern View Post
    Which calculator are you using?
    Hello Trelvern,

    Iím using this one: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post574039

    Run through Poiís FreeForm Runner.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 930 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 1075 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1660 AD).

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    K

    Ireland
    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    CELTIC:England_IA:HI1-I0156
    1.453685
    CELTIC:England_IA:I0156
    1.453685
    CELTIC:England_Roman:6DT18
    1.902893
    GERMANIC:England_Anglo-Saxon:O2-I0773
    1.923538
    CELTIC:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8206
    2.164809
    CELTIC:England_IA:M1489
    2.178830
    LONGOBARD:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ7
    2.263515
    VIKING-WEST:Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035
    2.465056


    "distance%=1.2813"

    CELTIC,78
    GERMANIC,11.4
    AQUITANIAN,7.8
    VIKING-WEST,2.8


    "distance%=1.2607" (pen=0)

    CELTIC,57.2
    GERMANIC,21.4
    AQUITANIAN,16
    VIKING-WEST,5.2
    SOUTH-AMERICAN,0.2

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