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    je n'ai pas eu beaucoup de temps mais j'ai fait tourner quelques échantillons
    Les résultats sont souvent assez "justes" par rapport à ce que je connais, parfois surprenant.....

    Ma mère kerbouet :

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 English_Cornwall @ 0,632455
    2 Welsh @ 2,698147
    3 German @ 3,136877
    4 Orcadian @ 3,334666
    5 English @ 3,464101
    6 Irish @ 4,70744
    7 Czech @ 4,971921
    8 Scottish @ 5,035871
    9 Shetlandic @ 5,411099
    10 Slovenian @ 5,919459
    11 Slovakian @ 6,979971
    12 Icelandic @ 7,536577
    13 Austrian @ 8,560373
    14 Belgian @ 8,676404
    15 Dutch @ 9,645724
    16 French @ 10,166612
    17 Hungarian @ 11,009087
    18 Norwegian @ 11,192854
    19 Polish @ 11,485643
    20 Ukrainian @ 12,93986
    68 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall @ 0,632455
    2 English_Cornwall+Welsh @ 1,44222
    3 German+Welsh @ 1,655294
    4 English_Cornwall+German @ 1,81659
    5 English_Cornwall+Orcadian @ 1,881488
    6 English+English_Cornwall @ 1,933907
    7 English+Welsh @ 2,034698
    8 Slovenian+Welsh @ 2,412467
    9 English_Cornwall+Irish @ 2,576819
    10 Italian_Bergamo+Latvian @ 2,634387
    11 Orcadian+Welsh @ 2,638181
    12 Czech+English_Cornwall @ 2,664582
    13 Welsh+Welsh @ 2,698147
    14 English_Cornwall+Scottish @ 2,716615
    15 German+Orcadian @ 2,821347
    16 English_Cornwall+Shetlandic @ 2,942787
    17 Scottish+Welsh @ 2,942787
    18 Czech+Welsh @ 2,949576
    19 Irish+Welsh @ 3,039736
    20 German+German @ 3,136877
    2346 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Welsh +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Lithuanian @ 0,796868
    2 50% English_Cornwall +25% English_Cornwall +25% Welsh @ 0,894427
    3 50% English_Cornwall +25% German +25% Welsh @ 1,111305
    4 50% English_Cornwall +25% English_Cornwall +25% German @ 1,181101
    5 50% English_Cornwall +25% English_Cornwall +25% Orcadian @ 1,189537
    6 50% English_Cornwall +25% English +25% English_Cornwall @ 1,206233
    7 50% English_Cornwall +25% English +25% Welsh @ 1,238951
    8 50% Welsh +25% English_Cornwall +25% German @ 1,398213
    9 50% Welsh +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Latvian @ 1,419506
    10 50% Welsh +25% English_Cornwall +25% Slovenian @ 1,428285
    11 50% English_Cornwall +25% Welsh +25% Welsh @ 1,44222
    12 50% English_Cornwall +25% Slovenian +25% Welsh @ 1,498332
    13 50% English_Cornwall +25% Orcadian +25% Welsh @ 1,499999
    14 50% Welsh +25% Lithuanian +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 1,513274
    15 50% English_Cornwall +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Latvian @ 1,521512
    16 50% English_Cornwall +25% English_Cornwall +25% Irish @ 1,536229
    17 50% English_Cornwall +25% Czech +25% English_Cornwall @ 1,544344
    18 50% Welsh +25% English +25% English_Cornwall @ 1,579556
    19 50% English_Cornwall +25% English_Cornwall +25% Scottish @ 1,585875
    20 50% German +25% English_Cornwall +25% Welsh @ 1,606237
    104385 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +English_Cornwall @ 0,632455
    2 Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Welsh+Welsh @ 0,796868
    3 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Welsh @ 0,894427
    4 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+German+Welsh @ 1,111305
    5 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +German @ 1,181101
    6 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Orcadian @ 1,189537
    7 English+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_ Cornwall @ 1,206233
    8 English+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Welsh @ 1,238951
    9 English_Cornwall+Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Welsh @ 1,30384
    10 English_Cornwall+Italian_Bergamo+Latvian+Welsh @ 1,313392
    11 English_Cornwall+German+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,398213
    12 Italian_Bergamo+Latvian+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,419506
    13 English_Cornwall+Slovenian+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,428285
    14 Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Orcadian+Welsh @ 1,440486
    15 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,44222
    16 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Slovenian+Welsh @ 1,498332
    17 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Orcadian+Welsh @ 1,499999
    18 Lithuanian+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,513274
    19 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Italian_Bergamo+ Latvian @ 1,521512
    20 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Irish @ 1,536229
    21 Czech+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Co rnwall @ 1,544344
    22 English_Cornwall+Lithuanian+Spanish_Andaloucia+Wel sh @ 1,566843
    23 English+English_Cornwall+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,579556
    24 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Scottish @ 1,585875
    25 English_Cornwall+German+German+Welsh @ 1,606237
    26 Slovenian+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,647725
    27 German+German+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,655294
    28 Czech+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Welsh @ 1,662828
    29 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+German+Orcadian @ 1,670329
    30 French+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,677796
    31 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Scottish+Welsh @ 1,677796
    32 English+English_Cornwall+German+Welsh @ 1,695582
    33 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Shetlandic @ 1,727715
    34 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Irish+Welsh @ 1,729161
    35 English_Cornwall+German+Orcadian+Welsh @ 1,750714
    36 French+Icelandic+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,76918
    37 English_Cornwall+Lithuanian+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh @ 1,805547
    38 English+German+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,809696
    39 English+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Orcadian @ 1,81659
    40 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+German+German @ 1,81659

    les distances sont vraiment "courtes"

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    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 English_Cornwall @ 5,733825
    2 French @ 6,094605
    3 Belgian @ 6,158142
    4 German @ 6,451312
    5 Slovenian @ 6,683724
    6 English @ 7,270436
    7 Welsh @ 7,505482
    8 Orcadian @ 7,924867
    9 Shetlandic @ 8,636123
    10 Scottish @ 8,660192
    11 Austrian @ 8,831712
    12 Irish @ 9,098265
    13 Czech @ 9,648609
    14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 10,890295
    15 Slovakian @ 11,347585
    16 Hungarian @ 11,752012
    17 Dutch @ 12,161906
    18 Basque_French @ 12,180513
    19 Montenegrin @ 12,209006
    20 Spanish_Valencia @ 12,28152
    68 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 Spanish_Cataluna+Welsh @ 2,42186
    2 Spanish_Valencia+Welsh @ 2,627549
    3 Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh @ 2,78788
    4 French+Welsh @ 2,959433
    5 English_Cornwall+French @ 3,160772
    6 Orcadian+Spanish_Cataluna @ 3,340812
    7 Orcadian+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,350805
    8 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Cataluna @ 3,552132
    9 Spanish_Extramadura+Welsh @ 3,558737
    10 Orcadian+Spanish_Valencia @ 3,591606
    11 Spanish_Galicia+Welsh @ 3,595579
    12 Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh @ 3,605169
    13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha+Welsh @ 3,607846
    14 Icelandic+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,660687
    15 Irish+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,689899
    16 Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Welsh @ 3,724924
    17 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Valencia @ 3,773096
    18 Icelandic+Spanish_Valencia @ 3,913102
    19 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,957842
    20 Irish+Spanish_Cataluna @ 3,970956
    2346 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Welsh +25% French +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1,401877
    2 50% Welsh +25% Belgian +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1,667299
    3 50% Welsh +25% French +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 1,780766
    4 50% English_Cornwall +25% English_Cornwall +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1,831838
    5 50% English_Cornwall +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Welsh @ 1,853244
    6 50% Welsh +25% French +25% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1,918808
    7 50% Welsh +25% English_Cornwall +25% Italian_Bergamo @ 2,004736
    8 50% English_Cornwall +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Welsh @ 2,017445
    9 50% English_Cornwall +25% English_Cornwall +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 2,037523
    10 50% English_Cornwall +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Welsh @ 2,088457
    11 50% English_Cornwall +25% Spanish_Valencia +25% Welsh @ 2,090546
    12 50% Welsh +25% English_Cornwall +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2,096042
    13 50% Welsh +25% Slovenian +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2,098153
    14 50% Welsh +25% French +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2,140653
    15 50% Welsh +25% French +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 2,145401
    16 50% Welsh +25% French +25% Spanish_Extramadura @ 2,167124
    17 50% English_Cornwall +25% English_Cornwall +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2,172043
    18 50% Welsh +25% Belgian +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 2,176179
    19 50% English_Cornwall +25% Spanish_Andaloucia +25% Welsh @ 2,182201
    20 50% English_Cornwall +25% English_Cornwall +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 2,189319
    118330 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 French+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,401877
    2 Belgian+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,667299
    3 French+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,780766
    4 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Spanish_Cantabria @ 1,831838
    5 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Spanish_Cantabri a+Welsh @ 1,853244
    6 French+Spanish_Cataluna+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,918808
    7 English_Cornwall+French+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh @ 1,950994
    8 Belgian+English_Cornwall+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh @ 1,990227
    9 English_Cornwall+Italian_Bergamo+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,004736
    10 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Italian_Bergamo+ Welsh @ 2,017445
    11 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Spanish_Valencia @ 2,037523
    12 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Spanish_Castilla _La_Mancha+Welsh @ 2,088457
    13 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Spanish_Valencia +Welsh @ 2,090546
    14 French+Orcadian+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh @ 2,094772
    15 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,096042
    16 Slovenian+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,098153
    17 English_Cornwall+German+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh @ 2,120185
    18 French+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,140653
    19 French+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,145401
    20 French+Spanish_Extramadura+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,167124
    21 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2,172043
    22 Belgian+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,176179
    23 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Spanish_Andalouc ia+Welsh @ 2,182201
    24 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Spanish_Andaloucia @ 2,189319
    25 Italian_Bergamo+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,201782
    26 English_Cornwall+French+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh @ 2,207317
    27 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Orcadian+Spanish _Cantabria @ 2,208466
    28 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha+Welsh+ Welsh @ 2,210324
    29 German+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,212253
    30 English_Cornwall+Slovenian+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh @ 2,219993
    31 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+German+Spanish_C antabria @ 2,230763
    32 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Italian_Bergamo @ 2,236337
    33 French+Spanish_Galicia+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,271171
    34 English_Cornwall+French+Spanish_Cataluna+Welsh @ 2,288656
    35 English+English_Cornwall+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh @ 2,315196
    36 English_Cornwall+Orcadian+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh @ 2,321896
    37 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,338645
    38 Belgian+Spanish_Cataluna+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,346583
    39 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Spanish_Murcia+W elsh @ 2,347012
    40 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Spanish_Extramadura @ 2,350915

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    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 English_Cornwall @ 3,382306
    2 German @ 3,878143
    3 Slovenian @ 4,874423
    4 English @ 5,01996
    5 Welsh @ 5,099019
    6 Orcadian @ 5,276362
    7 Shetlandic @ 6,131883
    8 Irish @ 6,292853
    9 Scottish @ 6,37495
    10 Belgian @ 6,529931
    11 Czech @ 6,962758
    12 Austrian @ 7,730459
    13 French @ 7,761443
    14 Slovakian @ 9,055385
    15 Icelandic @ 10,388455
    16 Dutch @ 10,579224
    17 Hungarian @ 10,72194
    18 Montenegrin @ 12,473972
    19 Norwegian @ 12,859237
    20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 13,839075
    68 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 French+Welsh @ 2,267156
    2 Belgian+Welsh @ 2,529822
    3 Belgian+English_Cornwall @ 3,072458
    4 Slovenian+Welsh @ 3,088689
    5 English_Cornwall+Slovenian @ 3,155946
    6 English_Cornwall+French @ 3,289376
    7 French+Orcadian @ 3,361547
    8 English_Cornwall+German @ 3,379349
    9 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall @ 3,382306
    10 Belgian+Orcadian @ 3,826225
    11 German+Welsh @ 3,834057
    12 German+German @ 3,878143
    13 French+Irish @ 3,93192
    14 English+English_Cornwall @ 3,982461
    15 Austrian+Welsh @ 4,057092
    16 Orcadian+Slovenian @ 4,074309
    17 German+Slovenian @ 4,11096
    18 English_Cornwall+Welsh @ 4,118252
    19 Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian @ 4,144876
    20 Belgian+German @ 4,144876
    2346 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Welsh +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Icelandic @ 1,372953
    2 50% Welsh +25% Irish +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 1,646207
    3 50% Welsh +25% Orcadian +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 1,674813
    4 50% Welsh +25% Spanish_Andaloucia +25% Welsh @ 1,698528
    5 50% Welsh +25% Czech +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 1,730606
    6 50% Welsh +25% Czech +25% Italian_Bergamo @ 1,730606
    7 50% Welsh +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Polish @ 1,784656
    8 50% Welsh +25% Irish +25% Italian_Bergamo @ 1,793042
    9 50% Welsh +25% English_Cornwall +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 1,838477
    10 50% Welsh +25% German +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 1,843908
    11 50% Welsh +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Orcadian @ 1,864135
    12 50% Welsh +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Welsh @ 1,868154
    13 50% Welsh +25% Shetlandic +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 1,898683
    14 50% Welsh +25% English +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 1,939071
    15 50% Welsh +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Slovakian @ 1,945507
    16 50% Orcadian +25% Spanish_Andaloucia +25% Welsh @ 1,960867
    17 50% Welsh +25% Irish +25% Spanish_Extramadura @ 1,977371
    18 50% Welsh +25% Scottish +25% Spanish_Andaloucia @ 1,994993
    19 50% Welsh +25% Orcadian +25% Spanish_Extramadura @ 2,017424
    20 50% Welsh +25% English_Cornwall +25% Montenegrin @ 2,021138
    118004 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Italian_Bergamo+Icelandic+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,372953
    2 Irish+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,646207
    3 Orcadian+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,674813
    4 Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,698528
    5 Czech+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,730606
    6 Czech+Italian_Bergamo+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,730606
    7 Italian_Bergamo+Polish+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,784656
    8 Irish+Italian_Bergamo+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,793042
    9 English_Cornwall+Italian_Bergamo+Icelandic+Welsh @ 1,817965
    10 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,838477
    11 German+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,843908
    12 Italian_Bergamo+Orcadian+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,864135
    13 Italian_Bergamo+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,868154
    14 Shetlandic+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,898683
    15 Italian_Bergamo+Icelandic+Orcadian+Welsh @ 1,911805
    16 English_Cornwall+Orcadian+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh @ 1,9352
    17 English+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,939071
    18 Italian_Bergamo+Slovakian+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,945507
    19 Orcadian+Orcadian+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh @ 1,960867
    20 English_Cornwall+Irish+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh @ 1,963415
    21 Irish+Spanish_Extramadura+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,977371
    22 Scottish+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,994993
    23 Orcadian+Spanish_Extramadura+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,017424
    24 English_Cornwall+Welsh+Welsh+Montenegrin @ 2,021138
    25 German+Spanish_Extramadura+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,031009
    26 Czech+Spanish_Extramadura+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,033469
    27 Spanish_Extramadura+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,059126
    28 Italian_Tuscan+Icelandic+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,076053
    29 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Extramadura+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,083266
    30 Irish+Orcadian+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh @ 2,084466
    31 Czech+English_Cornwall+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh @ 2,095232
    32 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+French+Welsh @ 2,096425
    33 Welsh+Welsh+Welsh+Montenegrin @ 2,10119
    34 Irish+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,10119
    35 French+Slovenian+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,118962
    36 Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,133072
    37 Orcadian+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,140093
    38 Italian_Bergamo+Orcadian+Orcadian+Welsh @ 2,140093
    39 German+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,142428
    40 Icelandic+Spanish_Andaloucia+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,143595

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    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 French @ 6,125357
    2 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6,337191
    3 Spanish_Cantabria @ 7,375635
    4 Spanish_Valencia @ 7,483314
    5 Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 7,657675
    6 Basque_French @ 7,771743
    7 Belgian @ 8,39047
    8 Spanish_Galicia @ 8,849858
    9 Spanish_Extramadura @ 9,173875
    10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 9,264987
    11 Spanish_Andaloucia @ 9,62081
    12 French_South @ 9,995999
    13 Spanish_Aragon @ 10,09158
    14 Slovenian @ 11,001818
    15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 11,228535
    16 English_Cornwall @ 11,37717
    17 Spanish_Murcia @ 11,617228
    18 German @ 11,754148
    19 Austrian @ 12,129303
    20 Montenegrin @ 12,293087
    68 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Cantabria @ 2,874021
    2 Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh @ 3,286335
    3 German+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,741657
    4 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Valencia @ 3,885871
    5 Orcadian+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,896151
    6 English+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,916631
    7 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,93192
    8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha+Welsh @ 4,032369
    9 Spanish_Valencia+Welsh @ 4,266145
    10 Slovenian+Spanish_Cantabria @ 4,411349
    11 Belgian+Spanish_Cantabria @ 4,422668
    12 Spanish_Murcia+Welsh @ 4,483302
    13 French+Basque_French @ 4,518849
    14 Shetlandic+Spanish_Cantabria @ 4,534313
    15 Scottish+Spanish_Cantabria @ 4,547526
    16 French+Spanish_Cantabria @ 4,556314
    17 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Murcia @ 4,608687
    18 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Cataluna @ 4,656178
    19 English_Cornwall+Spanish_Andaloucia @ 4,664761
    20 Irish+Spanish_Cantabria @ 4,688283
    2346 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Welsh +25% English_Cornwall +25% Sardinian @ 1,878829
    2 50% Welsh +25% Sardinian +25% Welsh @ 1,977371
    3 50% English_Cornwall +25% Sardinian +25% Welsh @ 2,007485
    4 50% Welsh +25% Orcadian +25% Sardinian @ 2,303258
    5 50% Welsh +25% German +25% Sardinian @ 2,319482
    6 50% English_Cornwall +25% English_Cornwall +25% Sardinian @ 2,32594
    7 50% Welsh +25% English +25% Sardinian @ 2,365375
    8 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Welsh +25% Basque_French @ 2,442334
    9 50% Spanish_Valencia +25% Welsh +25% Basque_French @ 2,486966
    10 50% Welsh +25% Belgian +25% Sardinian @ 2,505992
    11 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% French +25% Welsh @ 2,50699
    12 50% English_Cornwall +25% Orcadian +25% Sardinian @ 2,512966
    13 50% Welsh +25% French +25% Sardinian @ 2,540669
    14 50% Welsh +25% Sardinian +25% Shetlandic @ 2,588435
    15 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Welsh @ 2,603843
    16 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco +25% Welsh @ 2,604803
    17 50% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Spanish_Cataluna +25% Welsh @ 2,615339
    18 50% Welsh +25% Sardinian +25% Scottish @ 2,628687
    19 50% Welsh +25% Sardinian +25% Slovenian @ 2,64386
    20 50% Welsh +25% Irish +25% Sardinian @ 2,716615
    127980 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 English_Cornwall+Sardinian+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,878829
    2 Sardinian+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 1,977371
    3 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Sardinian+Welsh @ 2,007485
    4 Orcadian+Sardinian+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,303258
    5 English_Cornwall+Orcadian+Sardinian+Welsh @ 2,317326
    6 German+Sardinian+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,319482
    7 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall +Sardinian @ 2,32594
    8 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Basque_Fr ench @ 2,349468
    9 English+Sardinian+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,365375
    10 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh+Basque_F rench @ 2,442334
    11 Spanish_Valencia+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Basque_Fre nch @ 2,486966
    12 Belgian+Sardinian+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,505992
    13 French+Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh @ 2,50699
    14 English_Cornwall+English_Cornwall+Orcadian+Sardini an @ 2,512966
    15 English+English_Cornwall+Sardinian+Welsh @ 2,532785
    16 English_Cornwall+German+Sardinian+Welsh @ 2,537715
    17 French+Sardinian+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,540669
    18 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Extramadura+Welsh+Basque _French @ 2,546566
    19 Spanish_Andaloucia+Spanish_Cantabria+Welsh+Basque_ French @ 2,573907
    20 Sardinian+Shetlandic+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,588435
    21 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Cantab ria+Welsh @ 2,603843
    22 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Pais_V asco+Welsh @ 2,604803
    23 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Catalu na+Welsh @ 2,615339
    24 Sardinian+Scottish+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,628687
    25 Sardinian+Slovenian+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,64386
    26 English_Cornwall+Sardinian+Shetlandic+Welsh @ 2,659887
    27 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Spanish_Valen cia+Welsh @ 2,681417
    28 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Cataluna+Welsh+Basque_Fr ench @ 2,681417
    29 Irish+Sardinian+Welsh+Welsh @ 2,716615
    30 Spanish_Cataluna+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Basque_Fre nch @ 2,722131
    31 English_Cornwall+Sardinian+Scottish+Welsh @ 2,740437
    32 English_Cornwall+Irish+Sardinian+Welsh @ 2,765863
    33 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Galicia+Welsh+Basque_Fre nch @ 2,772183
    34 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Valenc ia+Welsh @ 2,778488
    35 Orcadian+Orcadian+Sardinian+Welsh @ 2,796426
    36 Spanish_Extramadura+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Basque_ French @ 2,79732
    37 Spanish_Andaloucia+Spanish_Valencia+Welsh+Basque_F rench @ 2,803569
    38 Italian_Bergamo+Welsh+Basque_French+Basque_French @ 2,808914
    39 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Cataluna+Spanish_Pais_Va sco+Welsh @ 2,815137
    40 Spanish_Cantabria+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha+Welsh +Basque_French @ 2,830194

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    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 French @ 4,863623
    2 Spanish_Cataluna @ 5,17863
    3 Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 6,787933
    4 Spanish_Valencia @ 7,271569
    5 Spanish_Cantabria @ 7,523941
    6 Basque_French @ 7,525777
    7 French_South @ 7,611567
    8 Spanish_Aragon @ 7,623187
    9 Belgian @ 7,89936
    10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 8,35245
    11 Spanish_Galicia @ 8,51087
    12 Spanish_Andaloucia @ 8,777328
    13 Spanish_Extramadura @ 8,959913
    14 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 9,310937
    15 Montenegrin @ 9,765732
    16 Slovenian @ 10,123917
    17 Spanish_Murcia @ 10,530272
    18 Austrian @ 10,779687
    19 German @ 12,05385
    20 English_Cornwall @ 12,723158
    68 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 French+Spanish_Cataluna @ 3,273609
    2 Slovenian+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,360312
    3 French+Basque_French @ 3,406769
    4 French+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 3,496489
    5 Basque_French+Montenegrin @ 3,597697
    6 French+French_South @ 3,786211
    7 French+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,864228
    8 Austrian+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,9428
    9 Belgian+Spanish_Cataluna @ 4,060671
    10 Belgian+Spanish_Cantabria @ 4,082253
    11 Belgian+Basque_French @ 4,105923
    12 Slovenian+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4,119292
    13 Slovenian+Spanish_Cataluna @ 4,154029
    14 French+Spanish_Aragon @ 4,243101
    15 Slovenian+Spanish_Aragon @ 4,257152
    16 Slovenian+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 4,271402
    17 Belgian+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 4,286953
    18 German+Spanish_Cantabria @ 4,321169
    19 Slovenian+Spanish_Valencia @ 4,373181
    20 French+Spanish_Valencia @ 4,430042
    2346 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Slovenian +25% English_Cornwall +25% Sardinian @ 2,395413
    2 50% Slovenian +25% German +25% Sardinian @ 2,421186
    3 50% German +25% Sardinian +25% Slovenian @ 2,431572
    4 50% Polish +25% Italian_Bergamo +25% Sardinian @ 2,462794
    5 50% Italian_Bergamo +25% French_South +25% Lithuanian @ 2,470597
    6 50% Slovenian +25% Czech +25% Sardinian @ 2,519453
    7 50% Slovenian +25% English +25% Sardinian @ 2,612826
    8 50% French +25% Lithuanian +25% Sardinian @ 2,653003
    9 50% Slovenian +25% Sardinian +25% Slovenian @ 2,657394
    10 50% German +25% German +25% Sardinian @ 2,685693
    11 50% Basque_French +25% Italian_Tuscan +25% Polish @ 2,691003
    12 50% Basque_French +25% Czech +25% Italian_Tuscan @ 2,720562
    13 50% Slovenian +25% Sardinian +25% Welsh @ 2,729471
    14 50% Italian_Bergamo +25% Lithuanian +25% Basque_French @ 2,734811
    15 50% Czech +25% French +25% Sardinian @ 2,745693
    16 50% Italian_Bergamo +25% Lithuanian +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 2,768369
    17 50% Italian_Bergamo +25% Basque_French +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 2,770505
    18 50% Slovenian +25% Orcadian +25% Sardinian @ 2,823893
    19 50% Slovenian +25% Irish +25% Sardinian @ 2,828834
    20 50% French +25% Spanish_Cataluna +25% Basque_French @ 2,833955
    126791 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Sardinian+Slovenian @ 1,761985
    2 German+Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Sardinian @ 1,926134
    3 Czech+Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Sardinian @ 2,010098
    4 Italian_Bergamo+Latvian+Sardinian+Slovenian @ 2,039331
    5 Lithuanian+Sardinian+Slovenian+Spanish_Andaloucia @ 2,083222
    6 English+Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Sardinian @ 2,16442
    7 Austrian+Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Sardinian @ 2,19581
    8 Irish+Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Sardinian @ 2,29677
    9 English_Cornwall+Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Sardin ian @ 2,343258
    10 Austrian+Italian_Bergamo+Latvian+Sardinian @ 2,384504
    11 English_Cornwall+Sardinian+Spanish_Andaloucia+Russ ian_Smolensk @ 2,394281
    12 Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Sardinian+Scottish @ 2,394973
    13 English_Cornwall+Sardinian+Slovenian+Slovenian @ 2,395413
    14 Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Sardinian+Slovakian @ 2,416064
    15 German+Sardinian+Slovenian+Slovenian @ 2,421186
    16 Czech+Italian_Tuscan+Lithuanian+Sardinian @ 2,422562
    17 German+Italian_Tuscan+Lithuanian+Sardinian @ 2,426583
    18 German+German+Sardinian+Slovenian @ 2,431572
    19 Austrian+Lithuanian+Sardinian+Spanish_Andaloucia @ 2,434502
    20 German+Italian_Bergamo+Latvian+Sardinian @ 2,446277
    21 Italian_Bergamo+Polish+Polish+Sardinian @ 2,462794
    22 French_South+Italian_Bergamo+Italian_Bergamo+Lithu anian @ 2,470597
    23 English_Cornwall+Italian_Tuscan+Lithuanian+Sardini an @ 2,485794
    24 French+Latvian+Sardinian+Spanish_Andaloucia @ 2,490857
    25 English_Cornwall+Lithuanian+Sardinian+Albanian @ 2,495058
    26 English+Italian_Tuscan+Lithuanian+Sardinian @ 2,504601
    27 Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Orcadian+Sardinian @ 2,514403
    28 Czech+Sardinian+Slovenian+Slovenian @ 2,519453
    29 German+Sardinian+Spanish_Andaloucia+Russian_Smolen sk @ 2,542975
    30 Lithuanian+Sardinian+Slovenian+Spanish_Extramadura @ 2,555279
    31 German+Lithuanian+Sardinian+Spanish_Andaloucia @ 2,560315
    32 French+Italian_Bergamo+Latvian+Sardinian @ 2,56596
    33 French+Lithuanian+Sardinian+Montenegrin @ 2,570428
    34 Lithuanian+Sardinian+Spanish_Cataluna+Montenegrin @ 2,572537
    35 English_Cornwall+German+Sardinian+Slovenian @ 2,572626
    36 Belgian+Lithuanian+Sardinian+Spanish_Andaloucia @ 2,574171
    37 Latvian+Sardinian+Spanish_Cataluna+Montenegrin @ 2,582096
    38 Italian_Bergamo+Lithuanian+Sardinian+Shetlandic @ 2,584825
    39 Lithuanian+Sardinian+Welsh+Albanian @ 2,598523
    40 Lithuanian+Sardinian+Slovenian+Spanish_Valencia @ 2,600647

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    Le calcul des populatons ancestrales colle bien. En revanche le least square me tire trop à l'ouest en effet, avec prédominance ibérique.

    Allez, j'adopte celle-là, toute en nuances:
    French+Italian_Tuscan+Italian_Tuscan+Welsh @ 2,403381

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    En tout cas, bravo Fabrice, bon boulot. De mon côté j'ai fait tourner sur un paquet d'individus divers (la plupart du forum). Il y a clairement des problèmes, en particulier dans la zone intermédiaire où le WHG rejoint l'Anatolia_N. Là les références est-européennes envahissent les oracles. Cela donne pour Finn, sa mère, mon père (par exemple) des oracles assez délirants. Pour les cas que je viens de citer (complètement néerlandais, ou partiellement comme mon père), les pops Dutch, ou au moins German, voire Belgian, n'apparaissent pas du tout. Donc c'est loin d'être engageant. J'ai essayé d'appliquer nMonte (nMonte sur nMonte... c'était vraiment pour voir), et ce n'est pas brillant. Merci Fab de t'être laissé entraîner là-dedans, mais le bilan n'est pas positif (même s'il n'est peut-être pas pire que certains oracles sur des calculateurs d'admixtures du passé... maigre consolation).
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    En North fum naiz, en North manom

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    @angles, j'ai vu que tu as isolé ANE (mon composant préféré ) dans les pops ancestrales.
    Est-ce que celui ci varie beaucoup en fonction de l'origine des gens de ton panel?
    Est-ce que Afontova Gora n'est pas plus prédictif?

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    Il y a des couac,s, c'est sûr, je n'ai posté qu'un échantillon, mais ce sont des déviations que j'ai déjà pu voir avec d'autres calculateurs, y compris le K36.
    Je peux t'envoyer les autres testés, ça peut être une base de travaille pour améliorer le truc.

    De mon côté, j'ai mieux compris comme marche ce programme, c'est cool ��

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    Camu: mon choix de composantes est fatalement biaisé par le fait que Botai contient beaucoup d'ANE. Je voulais vraiment au départ qq chose de discriminant entre Finns-Saamis-etc et le reste de l'Europe. Donc, regarde plutôt le total ANE+Botai. Mais ça ne marche pas bien, je suis désolé.

    Fabrice: l'ennui est que ce "programme" ( ou cette méthodologie, je ne sais pas trop quel mot choisir) n'est guère améliorable. Tout tient dans le G25+nMonte, donc toute modif dans les références choisies demande de reprendre toutes les analyses pour obtenir une nouvelle feuille de base pour le 4mix. De plus (et surtout), quoiqu'on fasse on va retomber sur les faiblesses des oracles 4mix, justement. Non, c'était une expérience. Si elle a eu pour toi une vertu pédagogique, elle n'a pas été complètement inutile. En fait cela a toujours été ma philosophie (raison pour laquelle j'ai toujours été l'ennemi des gens qui en font du vulgaire commerce): travailler pour apprendre à faire et mieux comprendre ce qui se passe, et permettre aux amis qui le veulent d'en faire autant.
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