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    N-L1034 in Suwalki

    I recently had an FTDNA result of N-L1034. My great grandfather is from Sejny, Poland (in the environs of the Suwalki Gap). This Halplogroup has been a bit of a surprise for me; I've always expected that my father's line came from Finland (and the FTDNA matches seem to confirm that), however the N-L1034 is from the Ugric branch so maybe another origin is possible?

    Anyways, this journey into my DNA result has been fascinating! I've recently uploaded my raw DNA results to mytrueancestry.com with the following results:







    FTDNA Y-DNA-12 matches:
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    Paper Trail: Father (Suwalki/Lithuania/Belarus); Mother (Lublin/Ruthenia)
    23andme: 97.9% East Euro (Masovia, Moravia, Vitbesk, Nizhny Novgorod); 1.2% Northwest Euro; 0.5% Ashkenazi; 0.4% Broadly Euro
    AncestryDNA: 50% Baltic; 50% East Euro
    FTDNA: 100% East Euro
    Eurogenes K36: 25.55% E. Central Euro; 17.08% E. Euro; 11.47% Central Euro; 11.00% Fennoscandia; 10.58% N. Sea; 9.47% E. Balkan; 5.81% N. Atlantic; 4.84% Italian; 2.98% Volga-Ural; 0.79% N. Caucasian; 0.27% Western Med; 0.17% French

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    You posted this in the N mtDNA section d00d
    YFull: YF72440 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-M479 > M124 > V1180 > SK2142 > Y1379 > Y1383 > Y154920* (xZ6135) - M5a1a-G9064A (185G)
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-M343 > M269 > Z2103 > Z2109 > Y14416 > Y35099 > Y84821 - U7a3a-A9852G > G6150A > C15433T
    * MGMs MGF: R1a-M420 > M198 > Z93 > L657 > Y7 - ?

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    N-L1034 seems to occur primarily in the Volga-Ural region in Russia (especially in Bashkortostan and Tatarstan). Although the possibilities are low, it may be related to a Finnish Tatar lineage, who inhabit Finland, and trace their origin back to the Volga-Urals. There are also the related, Lipka Tatars in Poland.

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    N-L1034 of Heimdallr is most probably not anyhow connected to the small Finnish Tatar population, which came to Finland in the late 19th century, at least via Finland. FTDNA Y-12 is BTW clearly too inaccurate to define the relevant matches.

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    L1034 clearly has some connection with Ugric tribes, and Finnish L1034's may have ancient Ugric/Proto-Ugric background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heimdallr View Post
    I recently had an FTDNA result of N-L1034. My great grandfather is from Sejny, Poland (in the environs of the Suwalki Gap). This Halplogroup has been a bit of a surprise for me; I've always expected that my father's line came from Finland (and the FTDNA matches seem to confirm that), however the N-L1034 is from the Ugric branch so maybe another origin is possible?
    Welcome to Anthrogenica! I have moved your thread to the Y DNA section. Check out this tool to follow your SNP path.
    http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

    P.S. My direct father line is from the same region as your line.
    Maternal Grandfather's mtDNA: K2b1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Táltos View Post
    Welcome to Anthrogenica! I have moved your thread to the Y DNA section. Check out this tool to follow your SNP path.
    http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

    P.S. My direct father line is from the same region as your line.
    Thanks for the move Táltos!

    I'm loving the SNP-path map you've shared.
    Paper Trail: Father (Suwalki/Lithuania/Belarus); Mother (Lublin/Ruthenia)
    23andme: 97.9% East Euro (Masovia, Moravia, Vitbesk, Nizhny Novgorod); 1.2% Northwest Euro; 0.5% Ashkenazi; 0.4% Broadly Euro
    AncestryDNA: 50% Baltic; 50% East Euro
    FTDNA: 100% East Euro
    Eurogenes K36: 25.55% E. Central Euro; 17.08% E. Euro; 11.47% Central Euro; 11.00% Fennoscandia; 10.58% N. Sea; 9.47% E. Balkan; 5.81% N. Atlantic; 4.84% Italian; 2.98% Volga-Ural; 0.79% N. Caucasian; 0.27% Western Med; 0.17% French

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    MyTrueAncestry.com recently added numerous Baltic samples to their models, and now my ancient ancestry map has a much tighter spread, centering primarily around the Baltic States:

    kircun_ancient_dna.jpg
    Paper Trail: Father (Suwalki/Lithuania/Belarus); Mother (Lublin/Ruthenia)
    23andme: 97.9% East Euro (Masovia, Moravia, Vitbesk, Nizhny Novgorod); 1.2% Northwest Euro; 0.5% Ashkenazi; 0.4% Broadly Euro
    AncestryDNA: 50% Baltic; 50% East Euro
    FTDNA: 100% East Euro
    Eurogenes K36: 25.55% E. Central Euro; 17.08% E. Euro; 11.47% Central Euro; 11.00% Fennoscandia; 10.58% N. Sea; 9.47% E. Balkan; 5.81% N. Atlantic; 4.84% Italian; 2.98% Volga-Ural; 0.79% N. Caucasian; 0.27% Western Med; 0.17% French

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    I'm N-Y16106 *, and I formed a haplogroup N Facebook group.
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/204993117274661/

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