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    Quote Originally Posted by etrusco View Post
    A new horse paper

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-57735-y


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    While classic models for the emergence of pastoral groups in Inner Asia describe mounted, horse-borne herders sweeping across the Eurasian Steppes during the Early or Middle Bronze Age (ca. 3000–1500 BCE), the actual economic basis of many early pastoral societies in the region is poorly characterized. In this paper, we use collagen mass fingerprinting and ancient DNA analysis of some of the first stratified and directly dated archaeofaunal assemblages from Mongolia’s early pastoral cultures to undertake species identifications of this rare and highly fragmented material. Our results provide evidence for livestock-based, herding subsistence in Mongolia during the late 3rd and early 2nd millennia BCE. We observe no evidence for dietary exploitation of horses prior to the late Bronze Age, ca. 1200 BCE – at which point horses come to dominate ritual assemblages, play a key role in pastoral diets, and greatly influence pastoral mobility. In combination with the broader archaeofaunal record of Inner Asia, our analysis supports models for widespread changes in herding ecology linked to the innovation of horseback riding in Central Asia in the final 2nd millennium BCE. Such a framework can explain key broad-scale patterns in the movement of people, ideas, and material culture in Eurasian prehistory.
    Of course, horse domestication and horseback riding came rather later to Central Asia than they did to the Pontic-Caspian steppe in eastern Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Of course, horse domestication and horseback riding came rather later to Central Asia than they did to the Pontic-Caspian steppe in eastern Europe.
    Funny but I was also thinking if you are going to make assumptions about the connection between the Steppe folk and Western Europe regarding horses why don't you actually investigate the ancient horse remains from those areas ?

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    An interesting documentary on horse domestication and the Indo-Europeans, it features David Anthony and his wife Dorcas Brown:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piquerobi View Post
    An interesting documentary on horse domestication and the Indo-Europeans, it features David Anthony and his wife Dorcas Brown:

    Really enjoyable video. Too bad they're not making more such videos.

    I would like to see more on horses and horseback riding in Corded Ware and Beaker.

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    Scientists like Anthony seem to be in minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ral View Post
    Scientists like Anthony seem to be in minority.
    In what way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piquerobi View Post
    In what way?
    Very early riding as a mass phenomenon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ral View Post
    Scientists like Anthony seem to be in minority.
    That's fine, if he is right. That's what matters.

    I think he is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ral View Post
    Scientists like Anthony seem to be in minority.
    what planet do you live on?

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