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    Y H2 using Snp Tracker tool

    Regarding Y H2 P96, Ive recently used this tool putting in the snps of Ftdna entries with downstream subclades within the H2 sections.

    all show a clear connection to and from, Northern Europe, especially Sweden, with only one exception, one of the two Armenian entries which ends with the location in Medieval Turkey/Anatolia, the other Armenian entry shows same area, but has descendants to Sweden, and Europe.

    This is very interesting as there is very little information regarding Y H2 P96, and how it got to Europe, and in my case the UK, but it now seems if the information is confirmed it can offer an answer.

    Y H2 seems to of reached Northern Europe, Sweden sometime in the Neolithic/Bronze age, using the SNP Tracker with the FTDNA results used, which suprisingly connect all the lower subclade entries with connections to Sweden other than the medieval Armenian above, mostly through the snp SK1182, which most connect with.

    I know there are recent Y H2 findings in Sweden, but it now seems Y H2 also spread from Sweden to areas of Europe thousands of years earlier.
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    This is incredible. So rare and so ancient. H2 was found in Pre-Pottery Neolithic, along T it migrated from the north i.e Anatolia, so that might also benefit you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul333 View Post
    Regarding Y H2 P96, Ive recently used this tool putting in the snps of Ftdna entries with downstream subclades within the H2 sections.

    all show a clear connection to and from, Northern Europe, especially Sweden, with only one exception, one of the two Armenian entries which ends with the location in Medieval Turkey/Anatolia, the other Armenian entry shows same area, but has descendants to Sweden, and Europe.

    This is very interesting as there is very little information regarding Y H2 P96, and how it got to Europe, and in my case the UK, but it now seems if the information is confirmed it can offer an answer.

    Y H2 seems to of reached Northern Europe, Sweden sometime in the Neolithic/Bronze age, using the SNP Tracker with the FTDNA results used, which suprisingly connect all the lower subclade entries with connections to Sweden other than the medieval Armenian above, mostly through the snp SK1182, which most connect with.

    I know there are recent Y H2 findings in Sweden, but it now seems Y H2 also spread from Sweden to areas of Europe thousands of years earlier.
    As I mentioned in the "R2a-M124 Updates" thread, you may want to try this SNP tracker tool as well.

    Here's an example for H2c1a1a1-BY16702:

    YFull: YF72440 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-SK2142 > Y1383* - M5a1a
    * Maternal Uncle (L): R1b-Z2109 > Y84821 - U7a3a5a
    * MGMs F (?): L-M22 > M357 - ?
    * PGMs F (?): Q-F1096 > F4747 - ?
    * MGMs MGF (?): R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

    Friends Haplos:
    * North Moroccan Berber: E-M35 > M81 - R0
    * Han Chinese: O-M117 > F1531 - M7e
    * Gujarati Lohana (?): T-Y11151 > Y13290 - R30b1

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    Has there been anymore info on H2 been found...
    Tried messaging you paul but its no working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by picto22 View Post
    Has there been anymore info on H2 been found...
    Tried messaging you paul but its no working.
    Hi picto 22

    Sorry for the delay, sent you a PM, regarding 'SNP Tracker' giving possible new information regarding Y H2.

    Paul.
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    The SNP Tracker tool, Has now removed many European subclade references, and all evidence of the historic presence of YH2 P96 in Europe,....???. I wonder why ?
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    Ancient H2-P96 samples indicate that this clade started spreading from the Levant during Pre-Pottery Neolithic, and it came to Europe with Anatolian farmers in the 6th millennium BC:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Ancient H2-P96 samples indicate that this clade started spreading from the Levant during Pre-Pottery Neolithic, and it came to Europe with Anatolian farmers in the 6th millennium BC:

    h2.png
    Thanks, Pribislav,

    I do not dispute the Neolithic plus migration periods,and am aware of most of those on your list, but there is also very credible academic opinion that it may also of been in Europe much, much, earlier, around at least 25,000-30,000 years ago, even entering Europe with the first Human migration into Europe.

    The period you refer to may include 'back/return later migrations originally from Europe, as some opinions suggest, or a second separate migration out of Africa through the Levant etc, which is what I and others believe could of happened.

    Unfortunately the European, now YH2 P96, and its footpaths have been removed from reaching Europe, but only as far as the Iranian area paleolithic period. It had been previously referenced to European area's such as Romania, and beyond, and a number of further journeys of its downstream subclades throughout the whole of Europe

    It seems for whatever reasons some people are trying to refute the fact that there was possibility of a very earlier presence of Y H2 or P96 in Europe, before the Neolithic movements, and it is evidence of this earlier phase, that I am seeking, as some of my previous posts on here, and Eupedia indicated.

    The list you supply informs that the entry for LD270, YH2a1, P96 Y20838, reached Sweden in the Paleolithic European period, as its pathway to SK1182, and is aged 26,000 yrs. The entry is from this year, put it in to the SNP Tracker and see. ( Use the descendant tool and it will also bring up many paleolithic references throughout Europe ). It has also removed the SNP P96 element completely from this journey to Sweden....Why .???

    The 'Y H2a1' Haplogroup, subclades on your post differs from those on ISSOG 2019, whereas the subclades attached are mainly representing 'possible' lower downstream markers of H2c~ and H2c1a1a~ etc, on Y full the ages for the SNP Y21618 ie H2c1a1a is 16,000 yrs.

    There are differences, some significant, with YFull H P96 YTree age of SNP Y20838, path to Sweden is showing forming 6,000ybp, with a TMRCA of 3500ybp.

    The other subclade Y19962, on your Y H2a1 P96 entry, shows an age of formed 16000ybp, and a TMRCA of 6000 ybp, with a presence in Italy indicated on the Yfull HTree.

    This information about Y H2 P96 is out there, it is confusing but it exists. I need to find reliable and trustworthy information as I do belong to this Haplogroup and want to find its true historic journey, not the missleading outdated rubbish In my opinion I was fobbed off with, from both 23 & Me, and Living DNA.

    How then can people say 'this evidence' does not exist?, but as with many others it is showing that Y H2a1 P96,Y20838, is at one stage 26,000yrs old in Paleolithic Europe???, and as you will see reading my posts, I quote such references, only to be then accused by some of fabricating this evidence, or to ignore such evidence as it does not exist.

    Why is some opinions for a very early pre Neolithic existance of Y H2 P96 so unacceptable by some, and, any sign or opinions suggesting an earlier existance then being constantly removed.

    How can Y H2 P96 be classed as seemingly specifically European, on some sites..???,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Ancient H2-P96 samples indicate that this clade started spreading from the Levant during Pre-Pottery Neolithic, and it came to Europe with Anatolian farmers in the 6th millennium BC:

    h2.png
    Just checked the SNP Index a short time ago, and M9313, is still representing H2a1~, and yet LD270 as on your list is also representing H2a1 P96 etc.

    A poster on here,Picto 22, who is also positive for M9313 is Y H2a1 and that a positive call for M9313 is the reason.

    My results regarding my positive SNP M9313 came from LivingDNA, who I was informed overlooked this SNP.

    When I put this same SNP M9313 into the SNP Tracker, it does not come up with Y H2a1 P96 etc, but comes up tracking Haplogroup Y I2a2a, to I S8522, anybody know the reason, why this confusion still occurs today.

    Outside of using the SNP Tracker tool, anybody have any dates for SNP M9313 identifying Y H2a1.

    I know rkenobi informed me on the 'other' Y DNA site, that this SNP is Paleolithic and between 16,000 -34,000 yrs old, if this is the case for Y H2a1 P96, then there is possible evidence of Y H2 P96 H2a1, being a lot older, than the age's referenced in your list at LD270. In my opinion
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