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    MtDNa W1(g)

    Hello everyone,

    I received my full MtDNA sequencing test last week from FTDNA, but before that I had tested with 23andMe. 23andMe assigned me to W1. That had me lost already, I was expecting something a little more common in Britain, like H maybe? But with the little information on W, in comparison to other MtDNA haplogroups I was a little worried I wouldn't be able to research it all that well...

    Anyhow, I wanted to know my shorthand, my full coding region, so I sent my full Genome sequence to Mark Wade, head of the popular website for Haplogroup W, Thecid. Right of the bat he labelled me w1g, with his analysis software he uses. here was the reply he sent me, even with a picture of the branch I belonged too.

    You're a W1g, as shown on the attachment tree.

    W1g is defined by the 16320 mutation in HVR1. This extends from the
    Ukraine through Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Germany, and France
    to Portugal. This arose 4,000 years ago and the timing and the
    distribution suggest the lineage arose in the upper Danube Valley among
    the first agriculturalists in Europe.
    You have only one match in HVR1/2 .. forensic data from Germany. This
    indicates your line originated in central Europe, and then came to
    Britain with the Celts.
    w1gWest.png

    Earlier this month, I then received my FTDNA results. Confirmed W1g. I decided that I'd like to thank Mark on his tremendous work, with how accurate he was and sent him my entire coding region results. turns out, I was not just W1g but my own branch on the tree.

    Here's the reply,

    Thanks for this! There was one mutation that I missed before (8188) and one that 23andme missed (7278). So that puts your placement on the tree quite differently. I ran the genetic analysis software again, this time using only those results with full genome results (not guessing on coding region for HVR1/2-only results) and obtained the attached, simpler tree. On this you are on your own branch, which last was the same as the original W1g line 3100 years ago. The cluster of single-mutation differences, found mainly in France, split off around 1700 years ago. A really older main line continued in central Europe since the first W1g, around 5500 years ago (e.g. emerged among the earliest agriculturalists in Central Europe).

    So Celts or Germanic tribes... hard to say, given the very rough timing.
    With an attached image,

    w1gyou.png

    Despite Marks match from Germany, I have 0 matches on FTDNA. I suppose this is due to the rarity of W as a Haplogroup. ( Forever alone ). but what turned out to be as concern, ended up being quite interesting!
    Last edited by Wulf Talented; 12-10-2013 at 12:08 PM.

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    you said "the infamous website"

    "infamous" is "bad reputation". Is it really what you wish to say ? I didn't know http://www.thecid.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by palamede View Post
    you said "the infamous website"

    "infamous" is "bad reputation". Is it really what you wish to say ? I didn't know http://www.thecid.com/
    Woah, I think you're right. Bad typo! thanks for pointing that out! It's not a bad website at all but a very good, and informative one!

    Corrected.


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    Hi I'm reasonable knowledgeable about my YDNA which is R-L1066+ in the short hand version, but my maternal signature mtdna is W3a1. I too have taken the autominal test at 23andme, and was disappointed at the results, the lack of a forum is definitely not good. I included mtdna at Irelandsdna.com test and have received quite a lot of information about the origins on my mother's side I too am surprised that this result, we are from Ireland and Scotland living in the UK so to find out that 0% in Wales 1% in Ireland and Scotland, and 2% England was interesting.

    Here is a copy of the explanation:
    Your mitochondrial DNA group is that of the women of MOHENJO-DARO, one of the very earliest urban cultures. A series of prehistoric cities were built between c3,000BC and 2,500BC in the valley of the Indus River in what is modern Pakistan. Mohenjo-daro was large with around 35,000 inhabitants and your genetic cousins were amongst the first women to be city-dwellers, to have near-neighbours, to live in bustling streets of terraced houses, to raise and care for their families in the traffic and constant presence of many others, some of them strangers.

    Your mtDNA markers, which only women can pass on to their children, define haplogroup W. This widespread West Eurasian group is rare over much of its range but it is very common in some populations in Pakistan. In Europe it is found most frequently in Finland and as far east as the Uighur People of Western China. Your lineage arose from a branch of the N super-cluster that remained in Western Asia. Your ancestors paused near the shores of the Persian Gulf for a long time before they moved on. Perhaps they were waiting for the weather to improve, or perhaps they faced a desert they could not cross.

    The problem now is how to get involved with research that same as I'm into with my YDNA?

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    I doubt you will be able to get involved with mtdna W research as the bulk of W exists in two of the poorly sturdiest regions in the world (Central and South Asia).

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