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    Post Telugu castes haplogroup distribution

    Based on previous published papers, following looks major distribution for published castes

    note: Many castes are not there. wait for more studies to fill the gaps

    Y Haplo Castes
    R1a Brahmin, Kamma, Kapu, Komati, Chenchu
    R1* R1a* Brahmin, Kamma, Lambadi
    R2 Kamma, Kapu, Komati, Reddy
    H1 Brahmin, Reddy, Kamma, Telaga, Kapu, Chenchu, Koya, Yadav
    h2 Raju, Irula, Brahmin
    J2b Balija, Komati, Brahmin, Pichakuntla, Nadikuruvar, Chenchu, Valmiki, Kamma
    L Kamma, Brahmin, Komati, Raju, Reddy, Chenchu, Yerukula
    P Kamma, Brahmin
    K Kamma, Brahmin, Telaga, Lambadi
    T Raju, Mala
    F Brahmin, Raju, Mala, Kapu, Koya, Komati
    G Brahmin, Kamma
    Q Kamma
    O2 Kamma, Telaga, Brahmin
    O3 Kapu, Raju
    C Brahmin, Lambadi, Chenchu
    D Reddy, Brahmin, Kapu, Komati
    Last edited by tipirneni; 05-04-2019 at 09:19 PM.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
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    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T C195T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.99 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 65.2 Saidu_Sharif_IA_o:S7722.E1.L1 17.8 Udegram_IA:I1985 7.8 Jordanian:S_Jordanian-1 4.4 Barikot_IA:I6545 2.2 Scotland_N:I26602 Narva_Lithuania: Donkalnis6

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    Interesting. Do you have the frequency data as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Interesting. Do you have the frequency data as well?
    Each study has its own freq based on sampling. I am trying to put a overall freq data based on extrapolation of major studies. is not accurate yet, but the most frequent published caste for each haplogroup is shown in the table in that order.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
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    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T C195T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.99 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 65.2 Saidu_Sharif_IA_o:S7722.E1.L1 17.8 Udegram_IA:I1985 7.8 Jordanian:S_Jordanian-1 4.4 Barikot_IA:I6545 2.2 Scotland_N:I26602 Narva_Lithuania: Donkalnis6

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    Interesting that O, C, and D are found in upper castes like brahmins and kammas. They're associated with munda/tribals in that region.
    Last edited by kush; 05-04-2019 at 08:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kush View Post
    Interesting that O and D are found in upper castes like brahmins and kammas. They're associated with munda/tribals in that region.
    I've seen a Pashtun with O once before and I recall Sapporo saying he saw a Punjabi Jatt with O before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kush View Post
    Interesting that O, C, and D are found in upper castes like brahmins and kammas. They're associated with munda/tribals in that region.
    3.5K years back except for Harappa area every one is tribal. These castes were present then.

    O is widely present in AA tribals but also in other castes like Yadavs, Kurmis, Rajputs, Brahmins etc... in small proportions. Same is true in case of C, it is present in Maharashtra among Brahmins & others, also in TN. D is present in Reddies & also among Brahmins. SO there is big mixure there.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    I've seen a Pashtun with O once before and I recall Sapporo saying he saw a Punjabi Jatt with O before.
    did pashtuns get O from mongols or south asians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kush View Post
    did pashtuns get O from mongols or south asians?
    I honestly am not sure. I went to go look for it in my 23andMe relatives to see the subclade. After searching the haplogroup for every relative in the first five pages, I couldn't find it. If someone here knows the subclade of a Punjabi (or other Northwest Indian group), then it would probably be the same as the one among Pashtuns considering geographic proximity. It's more likely to be South Asian than Mongol I'd say since Mongols had less influence in our region historically. Much of South Asia (at least the eastern part) was Austroasiatic in the past and I think it may go back to them.
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    Karnataka Castes

    Vokkaliga - L, H1, F, R2, G, H2, R1, J2b, D, O, C
    Lingayath - H1, L, R1, R2, J2, G, Q, C
    Kurumba - H1, L, F
    Brahmin - R1, H1, L, Q, J2a
    Last edited by tipirneni; 05-05-2019 at 08:15 PM.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
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    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T C195T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.99 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 65.2 Saidu_Sharif_IA_o:S7722.E1.L1 17.8 Udegram_IA:I1985 7.8 Jordanian:S_Jordanian-1 4.4 Barikot_IA:I6545 2.2 Scotland_N:I26602 Narva_Lithuania: Donkalnis6

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    Thanks for posting, Interesting, but I second, can you post data on frequency, else it’s almost meaningless.
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