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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    I honestly am not sure. I went to go look for it in my 23andMe relatives to see the subclade. After searching the haplogroup for every relative in the first five pages, I couldn't find it. If someone here knows the subclade of a Punjabi (or other Northwest Indian group), then it would probably be the same as the one among Pashtuns considering geographic proximity. It's more likely to be South Asian than Mongol I'd say since Mongols had less influence in our region historically. Much of South Asia (at least the eastern part) was Austroasiatic in the past and I think it may go back to them.
    My thinking is that it is neither Mongol nor AA, but old Himalayan (TiBu).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Based on previous published papers, following looks major distribution for published castes...
    R2 Kamma, Kapu, Komati, Reddy...
    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Karnataka Castes


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    Brahmin - R1, H1, Q
    No R2 in Telugu or Karnataka brahmans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgdavies@hotmail.com View Post
    Thanks for posting, Interesting, but I second, can you post data on frequency, else itís almost meaningless.
    None of studies covered big areas. Most were local to the districts. So the frequency is not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    No R2 in Telugu or Karnataka brahmans?
    R2 in Telugu & Kannada might be Iyers from Tamil Nadu or Smartha from Maharashtra. I haven't seen any study with Telugu & Kannada brahmin having R2.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
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    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T C195T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.99 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 65.2 Saidu_Sharif_IA_o:S7722.E1.L1 17.8 Udegram_IA:I1985 7.8 Jordanian:S_Jordanian-1 4.4 Barikot_IA:I6545 2.2 Scotland_N:I26602 Narva_Lithuania: Donkalnis6

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    Haplogroups from andhra and tamilnadu. There's only 1 person with O3 among the samples collected and thats as expected a lower caste individual.

    south indians (tamils + telugus) overall
    27% R1a
    19% H1
    12% L1
    11% R2
    11% J2/J2a
    10% F

    Telugu
    Upper = R1a1(51.5%), H1(15.2%), J2(9.2%), R2(6.1%), L1(6.1%)
    Middle = H1(25%), R1a1(18.8%), L1(16.3%), R2(12.5%), J2(10%)
    Lower = F(20.4%), H1(18.5%), R1a1(16.7%), R2(13%), L1(13%)

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2621241/


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    Quote Originally Posted by kush View Post
    Haplogroups from andhra and tamilnadu. There's only 1 person with O3 among the samples collected and thats as expected a lower caste individual.

    south indians (tamils + telugus) overall
    27% R1a
    19% H1
    12% L1
    11% R2
    11% J2/J2a
    10% F

    Telugu
    Upper = R1a1(51.5%), H1(15.2%), J2(9.2%), R2(6.1%), L1(6.1%)
    Middle = H1(25%), R1a1(18.8%), L1(16.3%), R2(12.5%), J2(10%)
    Lower = F(20.4%), H1(18.5%), R1a1(16.7%), R2(13%), L1(13%)

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2621241/

    The comparative sample of populations from Andhra Pradesh, India includes upper-caste Brahmins (33), middle-caste Kapus and Yadavas (80), and lower-caste Malas, Madigas, and Rellis (54)

    Total Telugu people 110 Million

    Those castes listed don't make more than 19 Million out of the whole sample also the samples are more localized too & don't represent all the overall population. The Castes that I collected from different studies don't show up in this study.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    mtDNA: U2a1a
    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T C195T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.99 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 65.2 Saidu_Sharif_IA_o:S7722.E1.L1 17.8 Udegram_IA:I1985 7.8 Jordanian:S_Jordanian-1 4.4 Barikot_IA:I6545 2.2 Scotland_N:I26602 Narva_Lithuania: Donkalnis6

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    Maharashtra Caste Haplogroup distribution.

    H1 is major component here ~ 33%, compared to ~ 20% in Karnataka, probably ~ 10% in Andhra/Telangana

    Population Position* Language Social Status F*(M89) H(M69) J(xJ2) J2(M172) L(M11) O2a(M95) O3(M122) P*(M45) R*(M207) R1a1(M17) R2(M124) Reference
    Maratha East Indo-European Caste 53 0 0.39 0 0.15 0.06 0 0 0 0 0.19 0.06 Trivedi et al. 2008
    Dhangar East Indo-European Caste 33 0 0.38 0 0.06 0.06 0 0 0 0 0.31 0.18 Trivedi et al. 2008
    Pawara East Indo-European Tribe 16 0 0.75 0 0.06 0.06 0 0 0 0 0.06 0.06 Trivedi et al. 2008
    Katkari East Indo-European Tribe 19 0 0.63 0 0.05 0.05 0 0 0.05 0.05 0.16 0 Trivedi et al. 2008
    Madia-Gond East Dravidian Tribe 14 0 0.57 0 0 0.29 0 0[ 0.07 0 0 0.07 Trivedi et al. 2008
    Maratha East Indo-European Caste 20 0.05 0.35 0 0.15 0.15 0 0 0 0 0.10 0.20 Sengupta et al. 2006
    Naba-Baudh East Indo-European Religious group 14 0 0.43 0 0.14 0.07 0 0 0 0 0.21 0 Sengupta et al. 2006
    Korku East Austroasiatic Tribe 59 0.07 0.08 0 0 0 0.81 0.02 0.02 0 0.00 0 Kumar et al. 2007
    Desasth Brahmin West Indo-European Caste 35 0.05 0.13 0 0.18 0.11 0 0 0 0 0.37 0.16 Trivedi et al. 2008
    Chitpavana Brahmin West Indo-European Caste 39 0 0.23 0 0.17 0.13 0 0 0 0 0.27 0.20 Trivedi et al. 2008
    Konkan Brahmins West Indo-European Caste 23 0 0.08 0 0.16 0.04 0 0 0 0 0.48 0.20 Sengupta et al. 2006
    Mahadeo-Koli West Indo-European Tribe 50 0.24 0.18 0.04 0.14 0.02 0 0 0 0 0.26 0.12 Present Study
    Thakur West Indo-European Tribe 48 0.13 0.08 0 0.27 0.06 0 0 0 0 0.29 0.04 Present Study
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    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    mtDNA: U2a1a
    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T C195T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.99 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 65.2 Saidu_Sharif_IA_o:S7722.E1.L1 17.8 Udegram_IA:I1985 7.8 Jordanian:S_Jordanian-1 4.4 Barikot_IA:I6545 2.2 Scotland_N:I26602 Narva_Lithuania: Donkalnis6

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    ITU Data set has major H1 & R1a haplogroup followed by R2. ITU probably has mostly Upper castes from UK

    total C H1 J L N Q R1a R2 ref
    Indian Telugus (UK) 60 1.67 26.67 6.67 1.67 1.67 1.67 26.67 20 Poznik201
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    mtDNA: U2a1a
    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T C195T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.99 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 65.2 Saidu_Sharif_IA_o:S7722.E1.L1 17.8 Udegram_IA:I1985 7.8 Jordanian:S_Jordanian-1 4.4 Barikot_IA:I6545 2.2 Scotland_N:I26602 Narva_Lithuania: Donkalnis6

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    ITU Data set has major H1 & R1a haplogroup followed by R2. ITU probably has mostly Upper castes from UK

    total C H1 J L N Q R1a R2 ref
    Indian Telugus (UK) 60 1.67 26.67 6.67 1.67 1.67 1.67 26.67 20 Poznik201
    There are also N, Q aprt from L & J
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    mtDNA: U2a1a
    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T C195T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.99 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 65.2 Saidu_Sharif_IA_o:S7722.E1.L1 17.8 Udegram_IA:I1985 7.8 Jordanian:S_Jordanian-1 4.4 Barikot_IA:I6545 2.2 Scotland_N:I26602 Narva_Lithuania: Donkalnis6

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    Do we have any Vokkaliga samples?

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