Page 3 of 7 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 62

Thread: Telugu castes haplogroup distribution

  1. #21
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,106
    Sex
    Location
    US
    Ethnicity
    India Andhra Kamma Telugu
    Nationality
    US
    Y-DNA (P)
    HM82 Z5888+CTS8144+
    mtDNA (M)
    U2a1a

    United States of America India
    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    Do we have any Vokkaliga samples?
    Vokkaliga mostly L1, H1, R1, R2, F, G, H2

    There are no vokkaliga members here so no G25 coords.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a
    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    LactosePersistence rs3213871 rs4988243

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to tipirneni For This Useful Post:

     26284729292 (05-06-2019),  Power77 (08-05-2019)

  3. #22
    Registered Users
    Posts
    576
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Telugu
    Y-DNA (P)
    L1a1
    mtDNA (M)
    J1

    India United States of America
    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    The comparative sample of populations from Andhra Pradesh, India includes upper-caste Brahmins (33), middle-caste Kapus and Yadavas (80), and lower-caste Malas, Madigas, and Rellis (54)

    Total Telugu people 110 Million

    Those castes listed don't make more than 19 Million out of the whole sample also the samples are more localized too & don't represent all the overall population. The Castes that I collected from different studies don't show up in this study.
    I know, thats why i said among the samples collected. when i said telugus/tamils overall, i meant based on the populations/samples they've covered. I was just sharing some stats thats all. I know there are a number of sources regarding the south indian haplogroups I wasn't criticizing you in any way, dont get me wrong. I think many groups like gonds, bondas that are found in northern andhra/telangana could have many eastern shifted haplogroups.

  4. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to kush For This Useful Post:

     Power77 (08-05-2019),  tipirneni (05-06-2019)

  5. #23
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    6,795

    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    ITU Data set has major H1 & R1a haplogroup followed by R2. ITU probably has mostly Upper castes from UK

    total C H1 J L N Q R1a R2 ref
    Indian Telugus (UK) 60 1.67 26.67 6.67 1.67 1.67 1.67 26.67 20 Poznik201
    One of the ITU samples - HG04098 (Y2392+ Y2393/FGC7405+) - is my closest Y (~1450 BC) relative on YFull.
    Last edited by parasar; 05-06-2019 at 07:39 PM.

  6. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to parasar For This Useful Post:

     bmoney (05-14-2019),  Jatt1 (05-19-2019),  laltota (05-08-2019),  Power77 (08-05-2019),  tipirneni (05-06-2019)

  7. #24
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,106
    Sex
    Location
    US
    Ethnicity
    India Andhra Kamma Telugu
    Nationality
    US
    Y-DNA (P)
    HM82 Z5888+CTS8144+
    mtDNA (M)
    U2a1a

    United States of America India
    One of studies mapped the Haplogroups into PCA, gives nice highlevel view of different Haplo compositions

    Phylogenetic tree and factor analysis depicting the distribution of Y-chromosome haplogroups in Indian and other reference populations. (A) Phylogenetic tree relating Y-chromosomal markers and their frequency distribution among Indian population groups and other reference populations. ( The principal component plots for the Y-chromosome haplogroup distribution. Caste-specific (red) and tribal-specific (blue) groupings of Cordaux et al. (1) are shown by dotted lines. * indicates AA-speaking populations only are included.


    https://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2...714103.DC1/#T4
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a
    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    LactosePersistence rs3213871 rs4988243

  8. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to tipirneni For This Useful Post:

     bmoney (05-14-2019),  kush (05-07-2019),  laltota (05-08-2019),  Power77 (08-05-2019)

  9. #25
    Registered Users
    Posts
    966
    Ethnicity
    Brahmin (mixed)
    Nationality
    Indian
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-1A (Z-93)
    mtDNA (M)
    M-30

    Quote Originally Posted by kush View Post
    I know, thats why i said among the samples collected. when i said telugus/tamils overall, i meant based on the populations/samples they've covered. I was just sharing some stats thats all. I know there are a number of sources regarding the south indian haplogroups I wasn't criticizing you in any way, dont get me wrong. I think many groups like gonds, bondas that are found in northern andhra/telangana could have many eastern shifted haplogroups.
    I've mentioned this in the past, as it's especially apt for south india. The way sampling is done (urban vs rural) is very important to get a "feel" for a population and the relative distributions of individuals.

  10. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to 26284729292 For This Useful Post:

     bmoney (05-14-2019),  kush (05-07-2019),  tipirneni (05-07-2019)

  11. #26
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,106
    Sex
    Location
    US
    Ethnicity
    India Andhra Kamma Telugu
    Nationality
    US
    Y-DNA (P)
    HM82 Z5888+CTS8144+
    mtDNA (M)
    U2a1a

    United States of America India
    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    I've mentioned this in the past, as it's especially apt for south india. The way sampling is done (urban vs rural) is very important to get a "feel" for a population and the relative distributions of individuals.
    No one wants to pay for big studies. It involves lot of organization & effort to get big population wide studies. Most public health orgs are underfunded & understaffed. The newer DNA central institutes have already lot do , so no time for population studies
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a
    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    LactosePersistence rs3213871 rs4988243

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to tipirneni For This Useful Post:

     Mandoos (05-13-2019),  Power77 (08-05-2019)

  13. #27
    Registered Users
    Posts
    966
    Ethnicity
    Brahmin (mixed)
    Nationality
    Indian
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-1A (Z-93)
    mtDNA (M)
    M-30

    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    No one wants to pay for big studies. It involves lot of organization & effort to get big population wide studies. Most public health orgs are underfunded & understaffed. The newer DNA central institutes have already lot do , so no time for population studies
    I'm interested in many of the south indian mid castes as far as ethnogenesis, etc. Which is why I wanna see more Mudialar/Gowda/Reddy/Kamma samples and look for a cline/subtle differences between the groups.

  14. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to 26284729292 For This Useful Post:

     bmoney (05-14-2019),  kush (05-20-2019)

  15. #28
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,106
    Sex
    Location
    US
    Ethnicity
    India Andhra Kamma Telugu
    Nationality
    US
    Y-DNA (P)
    HM82 Z5888+CTS8144+
    mtDNA (M)
    U2a1a

    United States of America India
    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    I'm interested in many of the south indian mid castes as far as ethnogenesis, etc. Which is why I wanna see more Mudialar/Gowda/Reddy/Kamma samples and look for a cline/subtle differences between the groups.
    You can see them as Major waves of movement. There was L1 movement probably in Iron age time, H1 movement in Chalcolithic time frame, R2 & J2b during Magadhan iron age movement south .

    L1 major castes : Some Mudaliars, Vokkaliga
    H1 major castes: Lingayath, Maratha, Gujarat, Tribals
    R2 & J2b castes: Kapu, Balija
    mixed: Kamma, Reddy
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a
    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    LactosePersistence rs3213871 rs4988243

  16. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to tipirneni For This Useful Post:

     26284729292 (05-07-2019),  aaronbee2010 (05-07-2019),  bmoney (05-14-2019),  kush (05-20-2019),  Power77 (08-05-2019)

  17. #29
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,106
    Sex
    Location
    US
    Ethnicity
    India Andhra Kamma Telugu
    Nationality
    US
    Y-DNA (P)
    HM82 Z5888+CTS8144+
    mtDNA (M)
    U2a1a

    United States of America India
    Gollas of Andhra Pradesh primarily herd sheep and cattle and subsist byselling milk; some Golla communities practice agricul-ture. This caste is subdivided into seven endogamous subcastes (Doddi, Puja, Erra, Pokanati, Karnam,Punugu, and Kurava)







    The Golla subcastes all cluster with Asian populations. The Doddi, Puja, and Pokanati form a tightcluster on a branch of the dendrogram (Figure 4), to-gether with a Sri Lanka. Punugu and Puja form another cluster with Sri Lanka population. Karnam is the most divergent subcaste clustering together with other Asian populations (Koreans, Japanese, and Khalk-Mongolian)and appears to have some affinities with Europeans.
    https://www.academia.edu/36659453/Ge...the_HLA_system

    Group n P-92 J-12f2 K-M9 F R1A_SRY10831a

    Doddi 24 16.67 8.33 45.83 29.17 0.0
    Erra 23 21.74 4.35 21.74 47.83 4.35
    Karnam 22 9.09 18.18 31.82 36.36 4.55
    Pokanati 29 17.24 10.34 17.24 51.72 3.45
    Puja 20 20.0 15.0 15.0 40.0 10.0
    Punugu 21 4.76 14.29 23.81 19.05 38.1
    Kurava 7 0.0 14.29 28.57 57.14 0.0
    Total 146 21.0 17.0 38.0 57.0 13.0

    Karnam is the closest caste to non-Indian Asian and European/Middle East groups (Figures 3 and 4). This could be due to higher degree of admixture of this particular subcastewith foreigners. Punugu and Kurava cluster together closer to Sri Lanka, an island population that is supposed to represent a more ancient Indian substratum (
    i.e., Dra-vidian [4]) because of a lower degree of admixture and possible founder effect.


    According to Thurston (1975) and the oral traditions reported by the elders of the Golla community, the Erra and Karnam subcastes were expected to show evidence
    of admixture with non-Golla groups. This is because the Erra are said to be the result of exogamous unions between Golla women and Brahmin men, and the Karnam
    are supposed to have admixed with an agricultural caste group Reddy (which has certain occupational similarities to the Golla). The TMRCA was estimated as
    34,370 years before present (+/-5,390 ybp) which is during initial formation & absence of newer Haplogroups indicate possible no exogamous relation but just mixture of these older populations in those castes with the Gollas. K/P & F & J are reported in Brahmin populations as well in AP. Some Erra Gollas were palegars during Vijayanagar time.

    However Gollas share some HLA alleles rare in other castes, eg. A*01-B*08-DRB1*03, found in 2.6% of the Gujjar, is a common European haplotype, and has not been found in Pakistan prior to this study. In India, this is the most frequent haplotype found in the Pokanati subcaste of the Golla populations ( Crawford et al., 2001) and has not been reported in any other Indian population. Gujjars share A*31 (11.2%) high freq with the Golla (Andhra Pradesh) and the Nadar (Tamil Nadu) from the South of India (Shankarkumar et al., 2003).

    Neighbourhood tree of Gujjars based on HLA show Golla & Marathas are closest. In the phylogenetic analyses, the Pakistani Gujjars and Indian Golla tribe of Andhra Pradesh consistently group together in the neighbor-joining trees constructed based on HLA allele frequencies of HLA-A, HLA-B, HLA-DRB1 and HLA-A-B-DRB1.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a
    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    LactosePersistence rs3213871 rs4988243

  18. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to tipirneni For This Useful Post:

     bmoney (05-14-2019),  Jatt1 (05-19-2019),  Power77 (08-05-2019)

  19. #30
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,106
    Sex
    Location
    US
    Ethnicity
    India Andhra Kamma Telugu
    Nationality
    US
    Y-DNA (P)
    HM82 Z5888+CTS8144+
    mtDNA (M)
    U2a1a

    United States of America India

    High level haplogroup migrations

    There was L1 movement probably in Iron age time, H1 movements from Neolithic & Chalcolithic time frame, R2 & J2b initially Neolithic later during Magadhan iron age movement south, Climate change related movements for T & G, O2 Rice farmer from later Chalcolithic, K farmer migrations from easat

    L1 major castes : Some Mudaliars, Vokkaliga (mixed with older migrations F1 H2), Bunts, Nair (mixed with older migrations F1)
    H1 major castes: Maratha, Dangar, Kunbi, Kurumba,Lingayath (L1 & J mixed), Baghel, Gujarat farmer, Tribal farmers (high %), Yadav, kurmi, Chamar, kayasth (mixed R1)
    O2: Telega (H1 mixed)
    T: Raju, Mala(mixed with F), Yerukula
    K: Golla (F&P mixed), Kamma (mixed R2 H1 L1 P), Mahisya(mixed R2), Namsudra (mixed R2), East Tribals (mixed o2)
    R2: Kapu (mixed with F1), Velama, Reddy, Kamma, Komati
    J2b: Balija, Komati
    G: Pandya soldiers in TN, Gond tribals
    mixed: Kamma (R2 K H1 L1 P Q G), Reddy (H1 R2 L1)
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a
    extras 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2 CG8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    LactosePersistence rs3213871 rs4988243

  20. The Following User Says Thank You to tipirneni For This Useful Post:

     Power77 (08-05-2019)

Page 3 of 7 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 62
    Last Post: 09-29-2019, 09:36 AM
  2. Haplogroup R1a distribution in Iberia
    By jeanL in forum R1a General
    Replies: 55
    Last Post: 09-02-2019, 03:38 AM
  3. Replies: 22
    Last Post: 04-08-2018, 09:45 PM
  4. Replies: 15
    Last Post: 08-30-2016, 01:49 PM
  5. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 06-14-2015, 07:50 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •