Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 11 to 20 of 20

Thread: Le composant italien parmi les utilisateurs français 23andme

  1. #11
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    2,025
    Sex
    Location
    Canada
    Ethnicity
    French Canadian
    Nationality
    Canadian
    Y-DNA
    R-M269 cousin test
    mtDNA
    H3a

    Canada Acadia Canada Quebec Franco-Ontarian Wallonia Scotland
    Bon, mais pour répondre à la question
    Spanish and Portuguese. 6.6%
    Although we've detected Spanish & Portuguese DNA in your ancestral breakdown, we have not identified more specific locations that your recent ancestors may have called home.

    Portugal
    Not Detected
    Spain
    Not Detected


    Italian
    3.4%
    Although we've detected Italian DNA in your ancestral breakdown, we have not identified more specific locations that your recent ancestors may have called home.

    Italy
    Not Detected
    Malta
    Not Detected
    En clair - de l’ADN espagnol, portugais et italien, mais pas l’ombre d’un cousinage «*récent*» dans les parages...

    Les signatures ADNy des ancêtres qui se trouvent dans ma roue de paon qui incluent des E (Boucher) et des J (Côté, Michaud, Ouellet), pointent vers des ancêtres du pourtour de la Méditerranée.
    K13 : 55.7% North_Dutch + 44.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1,7
    K15 : 79.6% Orcadian + 20.4% Sardinian @ 3,27
    Of course one population is French... @ 4,09 and 5,38 for K13 and K15.
    Y-DNA of ancestors include R-M269, J-M67 (from 23andMe genocousins -12 lines to this ancestor),
    J-CTS1192 and E-L117 (from French Heritage DNA Project at FT-DNA)

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Titane For This Useful Post:

     palamede (05-09-2019),  Ruderico (05-09-2019)

  3. #12
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,274
    Sex
    Location
    Viseu
    Ethnicity
    Romanised Paesuri
    Nationality
    Portuguese
    Y-DNA
    E-BY36858
    mtDNA
    H20

    Asturias Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ
    Cela peut être un signal ancien des colonisateurs/pêcheurs ibériens au Canada, non?

    In 1506, King Manuel I of Portugal created taxes for the cod fisheries in Newfoundland waters.[4] João Álvares Fagundes and Pêro de Barcelos established fishing outposts in Newfoundland and Nova Scotia around 1521. These were later abandoned, however, when Portuguese colonizers began to focus their efforts mainly on South America. Nonetheless, the Portuguese-founded towns of Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, St. Peter's, St. John's, Conception Bay and surrounding areas of east Canada remains important as a cultural region, even today.[5]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portug..._North_America



    There are several other unconfirmed accounts of European discovery and exploration, one tale by men from the Channel Islands being blown off course in the late 15th century into a strange land full of fish, and another from Portuguese maps that depict the Terra do Bacalhau, or land of codfish, west of the Azores.
    Based on the Treaty of Tordesillas, the Portuguese Crown claimed it had territorial rights in the area John Cabot visited in 1497 and 1498.[50] Subsequently, in 1501 and 1502 the Corte-Real brothers, Miguel and Gaspar, explored Newfoundland and Labrador, claiming them as part of the Portuguese Empire.[51][52] In 1506, king Manuel I of Portugal created taxes for the cod fisheries in Newfoundland waters.[53] João Álvares Fagundes and Pêro de Barcelos established seasonal fishing outposts in Newfoundland and Nova Scotia around 1521, and older Portuguese settlements may have existed.[54] Sir Humphrey Gilbert, provided with letters patent from Queen Elizabeth I, landed in St John's in August 1583, and formally took possession of the island.[55][56]
    Sometime before 1563 Basque fishermen, who had been fishing cod shoals off Newfoundland's coasts since the beginning of the sixteenth century, founded Plaisance (today Placentia), a seasonal haven which French fishermen later used. In the Newfoundland will, now in an archive in Spain, of the Basque seaman Domingo de Luca dated 1563, he asks "that my body be buried in this port of Plazençia in the place where those who die here are usually buried". This will is the oldest known civil document written in Canada.[57][58]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfou...ropean_contact



    PS: Mes matches portugais ont proche de 5% Italien, ma femme 6,2% et moi 2,0%
    Last edited by Ruderico; 05-09-2019 at 08:57 AM.
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>BY36857. Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
    Hidden Content


    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

    Ruderico

    Celtiberian,77.6
    Roman_Imperial_proxy,13.6
    Guanche,8.8

  4. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Ruderico For This Useful Post:

     etrusco (05-09-2019),  JMcB (05-09-2019),  palamede (05-10-2019)

  5. #13
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    2,025
    Sex
    Location
    Canada
    Ethnicity
    French Canadian
    Nationality
    Canadian
    Y-DNA
    R-M269 cousin test
    mtDNA
    H3a

    Canada Acadia Canada Quebec Franco-Ontarian Wallonia Scotland
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Cela peut être un signal ancien des colonisateurs/pêcheurs ibériens au Canada, non?



    PS: Mes matches portugais ont proche de 5% Italien, ma femme 6,2% et moi 2,0%

    Le Canada c’est très très grand... Il y a eu discontinuité de peuplement Européen entre le 16e et le 17ème siècle et Terre-Neuve fait partie du Canada depuis seulement 1949. Oui beaucoup de pêche, mais pas de colonie. Il y a probablement eu métissage avec quelques filles autochtones.

    Dans mon cas, mes ancêtres à la 10e génération, c’est 99% français. Il y a eu peut-être 3 ou 4 Portugais en Nouvelle-France qui ont laissé une descendance, dont le plus fameux est Pedro Da Silva, le premier courrier, considéré comme le précurseur de Postes Canada. Je pense que c’est un des ancêtres de Theconqueror...
    Last edited by Titane; 05-09-2019 at 01:56 PM.
    K13 : 55.7% North_Dutch + 44.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1,7
    K15 : 79.6% Orcadian + 20.4% Sardinian @ 3,27
    Of course one population is French... @ 4,09 and 5,38 for K13 and K15.
    Y-DNA of ancestors include R-M269, J-M67 (from 23andMe genocousins -12 lines to this ancestor),
    J-CTS1192 and E-L117 (from French Heritage DNA Project at FT-DNA)

  6. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Titane For This Useful Post:

     JMcB (05-09-2019),  Ruderico (05-09-2019),  Theconqueror (05-09-2019)

  7. #14
    Registered Users
    Posts
    686
    Sex
    Location
    Lyon, France
    Ethnicity
    West European
    Nationality
    French
    Y-DNA
    I1-Z17954>Z17926
    mtDNA
    H1e1a

    France Germany
    Quote Originally Posted by Theconqueror View Post
    Celui qui s'est pris une gauche du travail dans la tronche...
    Il a fait "prout".
    FTDNA => 67 % West and Central Europe - 18 % South Europe - 14 % East Europe - < 1 % North and Central America

    V2 K15 (Average France) => North Sea : 27.46 (28.25) - Atlantic : 21.26 (26.05) - West Med : 19.05 (15.53) - Baltic : 9.17 (8.22) - Eastern Euro : 8.80 (6.32) - West Asian : 6.31 (4.66) - East Med : 4.85 (6.72) - Red Sea : 2.08 (2.83) - Amerindian : 1.02 (0.20)

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to The_Lyonnist For This Useful Post:

     Theconqueror (05-09-2019)

  9. #15
    Registered Users
    Posts
    686
    Sex
    Location
    Lyon, France
    Ethnicity
    West European
    Nationality
    French
    Y-DNA
    I1-Z17954>Z17926
    mtDNA
    H1e1a

    France Germany
    Quote Originally Posted by Rafe View Post
    Dans le passé, je croyais que la présence de composants tels que l'Italian et le Northwestern European parmi les ibères indiquait l'affinité ancienne ou des contacts pré-historiques, mais depuis la publication de cette étude là sur la Reconquête, démonstrant que l'ADN des ibères non-basques a continué de changer après l'âge de fer, je suis convaincu que le Northwestern European, un composant commun parmi les ibères, indique un mélange de groupes tels que les Wisigoths et donc l'Italian, qui est encore plus commun, peut très probablement être l'héritage de l'occupation romaine.

    Cela m'a rendu curieux: quel est le score des français dans le composant italien sur le test 23andme?

    Par curiosité, parmi mes matchs portugais, ce pourcentage est de 4% et parmi les brésiliens plus proches à moi, un peu plus que 2%.
    FTDNA => 67 % West and Central Europe - 18 % South Europe - 14 % East Europe - < 1 % North and Central America

    V2 K15 (Average France) => North Sea : 27.46 (28.25) - Atlantic : 21.26 (26.05) - West Med : 19.05 (15.53) - Baltic : 9.17 (8.22) - Eastern Euro : 8.80 (6.32) - West Asian : 6.31 (4.66) - East Med : 4.85 (6.72) - Red Sea : 2.08 (2.83) - Amerindian : 1.02 (0.20)

  10. #16
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,314
    Sex
    Location
    Canada
    Ethnicity
    Norman/German
    Nationality
    Canadian
    Y-DNA
    R1B-DF99(FGC16982)

    Germany Imperial Normandie
    Quote Originally Posted by Titane View Post
    Le Canada c’est très très grand... Il y a eu discontinuité de peuplement Européen entre le 16e et le 17ème siècle et Terre-Neuve fait partie du Canada depuis seulement 1949. Oui beaucoup de pêche, mais pas de colonie. Il y a probablement eu métissage avec quelques filles autochtones.

    Dans mon cas, mes ancêtres à la 10e génération, c’est 99% français. Il y a eu peut-être 3 ou 4 Portugais en Nouvelle-France qui ont laissé une descendance, dont le plus fameux est Pedro Da Silva, le premier courrier, considéré comme le précurseur de Postes Canada. Je pense que c’est un des ancêtres de Theconqueror...
    Et nous avons aussi un NPE dans la lignee des Dassylva (Jean-Batptste Dassylva ne hors marriage de Genevieve Dassylva et un nomme Jean Acdene). J'ai tente de retrace cet homme mais je pense qu'il s'agit de Jean Acquel, un allemand. De on cote, Pierre Mivviel (Miville), un suisse fribourgeoois don't les lignee s'entre meles plusieurs fois su cote paetrnel comme du cote maternel, ets je pense ma source germanique la plus probable. Cet homme est R1B-U106.


    fiefsNF.jpg
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
    K36: French East/German South/Swiss German 33%, French North East/Belgian/German West 31%, French North Central 21%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 9%, French South/ French Basque 6%
    K16: German 50%, French North West 19%, French North East 11%, Irish/English 11%, French South 9%

  11. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Theconqueror For This Useful Post:

     JMcB (05-09-2019),  palamede (05-10-2019),  Titane (05-09-2019)

  12. #17
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,314
    Sex
    Location
    Canada
    Ethnicity
    Norman/German
    Nationality
    Canadian
    Y-DNA
    R1B-DF99(FGC16982)

    Germany Imperial Normandie
    l'autoroute 20 passe maintenant au travers de nos fiefs ancestraux :-)
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
    K36: French East/German South/Swiss German 33%, French North East/Belgian/German West 31%, French North Central 21%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 9%, French South/ French Basque 6%
    K16: German 50%, French North West 19%, French North East 11%, Irish/English 11%, French South 9%

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to Theconqueror For This Useful Post:

     JMcB (05-09-2019)

  14. #18
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    2,025
    Sex
    Location
    Canada
    Ethnicity
    French Canadian
    Nationality
    Canadian
    Y-DNA
    R-M269 cousin test
    mtDNA
    H3a

    Canada Acadia Canada Quebec Franco-Ontarian Wallonia Scotland
    Quote Originally Posted by Theconqueror View Post
    l'autoroute 20 passe maintenant au travers de nos fiefs ancestraux :-)
    Zone inondable?
    K13 : 55.7% North_Dutch + 44.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1,7
    K15 : 79.6% Orcadian + 20.4% Sardinian @ 3,27
    Of course one population is French... @ 4,09 and 5,38 for K13 and K15.
    Y-DNA of ancestors include R-M269, J-M67 (from 23andMe genocousins -12 lines to this ancestor),
    J-CTS1192 and E-L117 (from French Heritage DNA Project at FT-DNA)

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to Titane For This Useful Post:

     Theconqueror (05-10-2019)

  16. #19
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    2,025
    Sex
    Location
    Canada
    Ethnicity
    French Canadian
    Nationality
    Canadian
    Y-DNA
    R-M269 cousin test
    mtDNA
    H3a

    Canada Acadia Canada Quebec Franco-Ontarian Wallonia Scotland
    Quote Originally Posted by Theconqueror View Post
    Et nous avons aussi un NPE dans la lignee des Dassylva (Jean-Batptste Dassylva ne hors marriage de Genevieve Dassylva et un nomme Jean Acdene). J'ai tente de retrace cet homme mais je pense qu'il s'agit de Jean Acquel, un allemand. De on cote, Pierre Mivviel (Miville), un suisse fribourgeoois don't les lignee s'entre meles plusieurs fois su cote paetrnel comme du cote maternel, ets je pense ma source germanique la plus probable. Cet homme est R1B-U106.


    fiefsNF.jpg
    Paraîtrait que Miville a plus de 6 millions de descendants. C’est une des sources possible de l’ADN que nous partageons. Je suis descendante de deux des fils de Jacques et d’Aymée.
    Merci pour la carte. Je pense que je vais la colorer des familles de mes ancêtres.

    J’ai été surprise de constater cette semaine que l’haplogroupe de Pierre Hudon dit Beaulieu était le même que celui de Pierre Miville, Z156, sous-clade de R1b-U106. Je ne peux pas m’empêcher de penser que les concessions n’étaient pas si éloignées... Il y a une triangulation solide chez les Miville, moins chez les Hudon dit Beaulieu...
    K13 : 55.7% North_Dutch + 44.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1,7
    K15 : 79.6% Orcadian + 20.4% Sardinian @ 3,27
    Of course one population is French... @ 4,09 and 5,38 for K13 and K15.
    Y-DNA of ancestors include R-M269, J-M67 (from 23andMe genocousins -12 lines to this ancestor),
    J-CTS1192 and E-L117 (from French Heritage DNA Project at FT-DNA)

  17. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Titane For This Useful Post:

     palamede (05-10-2019),  Theconqueror (05-10-2019)

  18. #20
    Registered Users
    Posts
    1,314
    Sex
    Location
    Canada
    Ethnicity
    Norman/German
    Nationality
    Canadian
    Y-DNA
    R1B-DF99(FGC16982)

    Germany Imperial Normandie
    Aucun doute qu'il y en a. Je me rappele que ca m'avais etonne de voir que la veuve de mon ancetre s'etait remarier subito presto ave le Sieur Deschamps de la Bouteillerie. Pour l'instant, aucun Deschamps ou Deschamps de Boishebert en France n'est retourne DF99 :-)
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
    K36: French East/German South/Swiss German 33%, French North East/Belgian/German West 31%, French North Central 21%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 9%, French South/ French Basque 6%
    K16: German 50%, French North West 19%, French North East 11%, Irish/English 11%, French South 9%

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 336
    Last Post: 08-29-2018, 07:57 PM
  2. Résultats français sur puntDNAL
    By Massam in forum French
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 04-26-2018, 09:09 PM
  3. Les français sur FTDNA
    By Massam in forum French
    Replies: 43
    Last Post: 08-29-2017, 08:37 PM
  4. Replies: 40
    Last Post: 08-06-2016, 04:51 PM
  5. Résultats français sur Dodecad
    By Massam in forum French
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 05-18-2016, 07:51 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •